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Posted by: israeligirl1 3 months, 1 week ago

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What if this was your shopping center? 34 people, including many children were hurt when a rocket made a direct hit on a shopping center in Ashkelon. This is what it looked like a few minutes after the attack.

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abntv3 months, 1 week ago

I looks like Hammas is sending Bush a message.
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Wolfie20073 months, 1 week ago

This is the kind of thing that people who practice the religion of peace do to their neighbors? I can only extend my heartfelt sympathy to the citizens of Ashkelon. I pray this will stop soon.
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  djn3nunez33 months, 1 week ago
  
  "This is the kind of thing that people who practice the religion of peace do to their neighbors?"
  No. However it is the kind of thing the Palestinians do.
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  PsychoHosebeast3 months, 1 week ago
  
  It is when their neighbors do the same thing. It sucks, but it's been going on for... how long now?
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    Thinker223 months, 1 week ago
    
    If their neghbors did the same thing (namely, killed every Palestinian they can) there would be no Palestinians left. Please recall that these neighbors happen to have one of the five most powerful militaries on the planet.
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      Dionys3 months, 1 week ago
      
      Sorry. Flawed logic. For every Israeli killed by Palestinian extremists there are a number of Palestinians killed by the IDF or representatives of the Israeli Government (Israeli extremists).
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        Thinker223 months, 1 week ago
        
        > Sorry. Flawed logic.
        Not at all. With all Palestinian complaints the number of Palestinians killed is not high enough to make them consider a peaceful alternative. Please recall that Israel could easily kill not TWO but twenty thousand or more Palestinians a day if ending the war was considered more important than saving Palestinian lives. Back in 1945 ending the war was the most important goal of the Allies. Millions of Germans and Japanese were killed in order to convince their leaders to surrender.
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        Mutainia3 months, 1 week ago
        
        Instead of retaliating for this, why doesn't Israel take out the Kabah in Mecca with conventional cruise? A few Muslims might be killed, but, it would let the world know, including the Muslim world, that Mecca is touchable, and, something far worse could happen, like, the kabah later being buried in vats of pig poop from stealth bombers. Would a Muslim do five times a day of butt in the air IF they knew they were bowing to something defiled with pig poop?
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Charlson3 months, 1 week ago

Cowards most always target soft, easy places than those that are well defended and could strike back. Classic terror tactics.
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walden33 months, 1 week ago

I'm sure somehow the evil Zionists are to blame.
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  SonOfTheMask3 months, 1 week ago
  
  That makes sense...as long as you follow the logic of certain Propellerites who shall remain nameless.
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    rdy2rck3 months, 1 week ago
    
    No names need be mentioned SOM.It's Bushes fault too.
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engineer3 months, 1 week ago

The US should go after HAMAS and HEZBOLLAH with the same vengeance they did in Iraq. Maybe they'll learn then. I don't have much hope in these evil people. They certainly do not follow their religion

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  djn3nunez33 months, 1 week ago
  
  W should destroy their government and infrastructure and start a civil war?
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    engineer3 months, 1 week ago
    
    Yes
    No civil war will come from this. The Palestinians are already suffering due to their INSANE government
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    Dionys3 months, 1 week ago
    
    " W should destroy their government and infrastructure and start a civil war?"
    Israel's already taken care of that in a few ME countries.
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      Thinker223 months, 1 week ago
      
      > Israel's already taken care of that in a few ME countries.
      Can you name a couple of examples? I'm interested to know the names of a few ME countries where Israel destroyed their government and infrastructure and started a civil war if yo don't mind.
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        Mutainia3 months, 1 week ago
        
        Maybe this "I'm not a Muslim" (which Dionys told me), feels that taking out the nuclear reactor in Iraq qualifies for all of that. After studying his reasoning, he'd probably say that.
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PapaWolf3 months, 1 week ago

This is horrendous. But why are you only showing 1 side?
The remorse & outrage on the attacks of Israelis are well founded & understandable. But why not the same outrage at the daily attacks by Israel into the occupied territories?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WaCJn4hdjc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxBU-Otdefk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shvWwjMyjhI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzZj889BA4A&feat...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jw_Px5cJIyI&feat...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jSCDE8UO0M&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jSCDE8UO0M&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wZ5pBPZiPU&NR=1
I can go on & on with Israeli attacks on Palestinians.
Yet ALL of your indignation is saved for the Palestinians; you refuse to see any of the attacks by Israel or the innocent Palestinians injured, maimed & killed by Israel.
It's the 1-sided reactions on both sides that keep escalating the violence.
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  walden33 months, 1 week ago
  
  Because this thread is about an attack on a shopping center that happened today. Speaking for myself I don't refuse to see attacks by Israel.
  What you ask for just doesn't make sense. I'm really trying to get my brain around it.
  It would go something like this, "the attack on the shopping center was a terrible thing, but how about the hard handed tactics of Israeli soldiers at checkpoints."
  Post your stories.
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    PapaWolf3 months, 1 week ago
    
    >>Speaking for myself I don't refuse to see attacks by Israel.
    I noticed that about you & respect you for that.
    >>What you ask for just doesn't make sense. I'm really trying to get my brain around it.
    Look at some of the posts here & on the YouTube site of the video. People like engineer who say "The US should go after HAMAS and HEZBOLLAH .... I don't have much hope in these evil people."
    Palestinians are attacked & killed every day without any of these people showing the least bit of remorse for them or anger at Israel. Then 1 attack on an Israeli mall brings out the "nuke 'em back to the stone age" crowd.
    I have family in Lebanon & friends w/family in Palestine & Israel. Every 1 of these attacks hits very close to home - on all sides. It angers me when Israel's gov't ignores the will of its people & escalates the violence. And the same w/the Palestinians' increased violence.
    But the 1-sidedness here is REALLY upsetting.
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      walden33 months, 1 week ago
      
      It is crazy how governments don't listen to their citizens. It sickens me that my tax dollars are going to kill innocents all over the world. I'd rather it goes to schools, food, medicine and water pumps/filters. I think that'd do more to reduce terrorism then killing people.
      What do you think the solution is to the Israel problem?
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        PapaWolf3 months, 1 week ago
        
        >>I think that'd do more to reduce terrorism then killing people.
        Agree 1 MILLION percent.
        >What do you think the solution is to the Israel problem?
        If I knew that, I'd be God.
        1 thought, tho, is to force Israel to stop expanding its settlements, to lift its blockade, & to stop targeted assassinations & wanton killings of Palestinians.
        Another is to offer Palestinians the assistance we've been refusing ON THE CONTINGENCY OF NO MORE ATTACKS BY HAMAS ON ISRAEL, and assistance to track down & punish those who do attack.
        Those are 2 starting points, IMO. Maybe not practical, or doable, but who knows....
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        walden33 months, 1 week ago
        
        What does Israel get in return? In retrospect I'm not sure that trading land for peace was a good idea. I really think that the Palestinian people need to disavow Hamas. the Hamas Charter calls for the destruction of Israel, death to Jews and no peaceful settlement.
        I definitely think that the Palestinian people need to be given some sort of economic hope.
        I guess the big question is whether the Palestinians will settle for anything less then the right of return? Even if israel makes peace with a new Palestine next door will the rest of her neighbors allow Israel to live in peace?
        I don't know.
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        walden33 months, 1 week ago
        
        It further got me to thinking-
        Now I think that the Palestinians have made some bad diplomatic moves in the past when they refused what was offered to them.
        It appears to me, as an outside and probably biased, that the Palestinians don't want to work within the system and be part of it.
        Lastly, what would any other government, the US, Germany, China, Russia or France do if a missile hit one of their shopping centers/
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        PapaWolf3 months, 1 week ago
        
        >>Palestinians have made some bad diplomatic moves
        Slight understatement. But I'm thinking more of the attacks. When they're offered 60% of the 30% they have left, that's not much of a deal.
        >>Palestinians don't want to work within the system and be part of it.
        That's kind of hard when the system is rigged. They have to go to Israeli courts run by the Israeli gov't. Kind of like a black man in the '30s going to a KKK rally for help.
        >>what would any other government... do if a missile hit one of their shopping centers
        You can also ask what would they do if another country took over roughly 60-70% of their land, had complete military control over roads & borders, & constantly bombed & shot their citizens, as well as bulldozing homes, schools & businesses & building settlements for the occupier's citizens.
        It works both ways.
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        Thinker223 months, 1 week ago
        
        > When they're offered 60% of the 30% they have left, that's not much of a deal.
        It sounds like a pretty good deal to me considering that the 60% or the 30% or even the 100% NEVER were "Palestinian lands". Until the 1920 Palestine was part of the Ottoman Empire (Turkey) and then it did not belong to ANY state until 1948 when the UN offered to create two states in Palestine, one for the Jews and another for the Arabs.
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        PapaWolf3 months, 1 week ago
        
        >>What does Israel get in return?
        Peace.
        >>I'm not sure that trading land for peace was a good idea.
        But there never really was land-for-peace. Israel unilaterally left the West Bank but increased its activities in Gaza. THEN started taking Palestinian land & homes to build a wall.
        >>Hamas Charter....
        Hamas has publicly agreed to all past PLO/Fatah agreements, INCLUDING Israel's right to exist.
        >>think that the Palestinian people need to be given some sort of economic hope.
        No doubt. The longer they're stepped on, the more "terrorists" will be spawned.
        >>Even if israel makes peace with a new Palestine next door will the rest of her neighbors allow Israel to live in peace?
        It has treaties w/both Egypt & (I think) Jordan. Peaceful so far. & other Arab states have proposed negotiations in exchange for peace w/the Palestinians. All have been rejected by Israel.
        >>I don't know.
        Yep, Me neither.
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        Thinker223 months, 1 week ago
        
        > Hamas has publicly agreed to all past PLO/Fatah agreements, INCLUDING Israel's right to exist.
        Only a week ago the leader of Hamas made a fool of the former US President Jimmy Carter by saying that Hamas would NEVER recognize Israel. He did not even bother wiping his behind from Carter's saliva...
        By the way, BOTH the PLO/Fatah Charter AND the Hamas Charter declare that ANY settlement with Israel on ANY conditions is 'unacceptable' to the Palestinians.
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        Thinker223 months, 1 week ago
        
        > ...other Arab states have proposed negotiations in exchange for peace w/the Palestinians. All have been rejected by Israel.
        Not exactly. First, these "other Arab states" declared that they "might" decide to negotiate AFTER Israeli withdrawal to the 1949 cease fire line AND recognition of the Palestinian "right of return". Second, if they were serious about their willingness to negotiate they would do just that... like Egypt and Jordan did.
        The Arab states tried to use Mafia tactic ("Give me what I want and I may spare your life") and it did not work.
        
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        Thinker223 months, 1 week ago
        
        > 1 thought, tho, is to force Israel to stop expanding its settlements...
        Very well. There were no settlements prior to 1967. There was a lot of terrorism though. Sonmething to think about, don't you agree?
        > ...to lift its blockade...
        ...and by doing it to allow free access for terrorists into Israel, correct? Do you believe that making it easier to murder Israelis will somehow make the terrorists peaceful? Sorry but this does not make much sense to me.
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        Thinker223 months, 1 week ago
        
        > ...& to stop targeted assassinations...
        One way to stop TARGETED assassinations of terrorists is to replace them by UNTARGETED KILLLINGS. This is what you're suggesting?
        > ...& wanton killings of Palestinians.
        Probably not. So you're telling us that Israel should let the terrorists to kill Israelis and do nothing in response... and this will somehow make them peaceful.
        > Another is to offer Palestinians the assistance we've been refusing ON THE CONTINGENCY OF NO MORE ATTACKS BY HAMAS ON ISRAEL...
        Back in August 2000 the Palestinians were offered a sovereign independent state together with all assistance one can hope for... and they preferred to start a terrorist war known as the Intifadah. Further, THE CONTINGENCY OF NO MORE ATTACKS BY HAMAS ON ISRAEL obviously means continuation of attacks by Islamic Jihad, Al Aqsa Martyrs, Hezbollah and many otehr big and small organizations of murderers, correct?
        
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        Thinker223 months, 1 week ago
        
        > ...and assistance to track down & punish those who do attack.
        This is exactly what Israel is doing today but somehow you're asking to stop these "targeted assassinations". Would you make up your mind please?
        
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        PsychoHosebeast3 months, 1 week ago
        
        "1 thought, tho, is to force Israel to stop expanding its settlements, to lift its blockade, & to stop targeted assassinations & wanton killings of Palestinians."
        Yabbut... ya see, that won't work, because the Palestinians, just like the Israelis, thrive on killing and war. There's fanatics on both sides that will continue killing... hell, Israeli radicals have been known to blow up Israeli buildings in protest of cease fires.
        There's nothing to do but wait until there are either no Israelis, or no Palestinians... but even that isn't a guarantee, because whoever is left will just find someone else to blame their problems on and start killing THEM.
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        Thinker223 months, 1 week ago
        
        > ...Israeli radicals have been known to blow up Israeli buildings in protest of cease fires.
        Can you elaborate on this please? Somehow these Israeli radicals that have been known to blow up Israeli buildings in protest of cease fires managed to elude me...
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        PsychoHosebeast3 months, 1 week ago
        
        I think the fact that someone gave you a neg on this comment is indicative of what part of the problem is.
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        Thinker223 months, 1 week ago
        
        A 'neg' (or a 'pos', for that matter) suggest that that 'someone bothered to READ the statement he/she negged.
        No reply means that he/she has NOTHING to say in order to disprove the statement he/she negged. In other words, a neg without a reply means "You're perfectly right and I hate it".
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        Dionys3 months, 1 week ago
        
        " No reply means that he/she has NOTHING to say in order to disprove the statement he/she negged. In other words, a neg without a reply means "You're perfectly right and I hate it"."
        It seems kind of silly to assume you know the inner thoughts of everyone who votes good/bad or who does or does not respond to your message. Someone might disagree with your rhetoric or dogma, but see that it's plain you won't accept any evidence against your already solidified opinion and therefore decide not to waste time on someone who won't ever change their mind no matter how much evidence is given to them.
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        Thinker223 months, 1 week ago
        
        I can only repeat what I've already said. A negative with no reply means only one thing "I hate to admit it but you're perfectly right". If it was not the case he/she would find something he/she disagreed with.
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        Mutainia3 months, 1 week ago
        
        Thinker22. Ever get the feeling that Dionys is Daylight trying to ACT like he's someone else so we won't think he's at the computer 24/7? IF you stay awake 24/7, it's kind of hard to be reasoned with.
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      Thinker223 months, 1 week ago
      
      > Palestinians are attacked & killed every day without any of these people showing the least bit of remorse for them or anger at Israel. Then 1 attack on an Israeli mall brings out the "nuke 'em back to the stone age" crowd.
      Well, you should consider a couple of things:
      First, it were the Palestinians who STARTED this terrorist war back in September, 2000. Are you suggesting that they were so dumb that they did not realize that people are killed during a war?
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        Dionys3 months, 1 week ago
        
        "First, it were the Palestinians who STARTED this terrorist war back in September, 2000. "
        This is the problem with America. They can hardly remember what happened two weeks ago, much less 60 years ago or a hundred years ago.
        Did the Palestinians start it? Did the Israelis start it when Israel was created in 1948 and millions of Palestinians were relocated into camps?
        They're both at fault for the current situation, both bombing and killing each other in large numbers (though more Palestinians die than Israelis) and both need to sacrifice their dogmatic approach to life to find a peaceful agreement that leaves *neither* party happy, but both satisfied.
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        Thinker223 months, 1 week ago
        
        > Did the Palestinians start it?
        Yes, it were the Palestinian Arabs who started the last round of the Arab war against Israel back in September, 2000.
        > Did the Israelis start it when Israel was created in 1948 and millions of Palestinians were relocated into camps?
        No, it were the Arab states that rejected the UN Partition Resolution, started a war and lost. There were no "Millions of Palestinians" but about 600,000 Arabs who left their homes because of it. These Arabs did not know then that they were 'Palestinians' as this term was invented 20 years later. There never were and still are no camps in Israel.
        
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      Thinker223 months, 1 week ago
      
      > Second, if the Palestinians did not like to be attacked and killed they would try to negotiate a better deal, especially considering the fact that Israel offered them peace, a state and all kinds of assistance. If they preferred a war it means that they're happy with the results (again, I do not suggest that the Palestinians are so dumb that they're incapable to understand the link between them killing Israelis and Israelis fighting back).
      Third, with all their complaints only TWO Palestinians were killed during an average day of the Intifadah. You may compare this number (TWO per day) with the number of people killed during an average day of any other recent major war and you'll realize that the Israelis are doing everything possible to save Palestinian lives.
      Fourth, the will of Israeli people is to live in peace. This goal can not and will not be achieved by surrendering to terrorists.
      
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        Dionys3 months, 1 week ago
        
        "Fourth, the will of Israeli people is to live in peace."
        Absolutely. It is absolutely the will of the Israeli PEOPLE to live in peace. It's the government that doesn't get it.
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        Thinker223 months, 1 week ago
        
        > It is absolutely the will of the Israeli PEOPLE to live in peace. It's the government that doesn't get it.
        It's a pretty interesting statement. Are you going to support it by declaring that Israeli PEOPLE would gladly allow themselves murdered by terrorists so the Palestinians will live in peace WITH NO JEWS IN SIGHT or you have other ideas in mind?
        Please consider that it was Israeli government that agreed to create an independent sovereign state for Palestinian Arab back in 1948 and repeated this offer ever since. It were the Palestinians and the Arab governments that rejected all these offers.
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        Mutainia3 months, 1 week ago
        
        Hey, Thinker22. Did you know old Dionys told me he wasn't a Muslim? He tried to hint that he was a Buddhist. Can you say, "al-taqqiya"?
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  abntv3 months, 1 week ago
  
  My indignation is not saved for the Palestinians...I do however have no problem condemming Hammas and other terrorist groups holding the Palestinians hostage.
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    PapaWolf3 months, 1 week ago
    
    Hamas tried the peaceful way by going the political route & by stopping its rocket attacks on Israel for 1 to 2 years.
    It received NO aide, was the target of blockades, & was even denied its own moneys that Israel collects in the name of the Palestinians & supposedly returns to the gov't for its use.
    And during that 1 to 2 years, Israel increased settlement activity, increased attacks on both the West Bank AND Gaza, and implemented an air tight blockade where no food, goods or humanitarian aid could pass, & no workers could get to their jobs.
    Israel has been strangling the Palestinians for years - especially Gaza. So some of the blame for this DOES rest squarely on the Israeli gov't.
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      abntv3 months, 1 week ago
      
      Hamas is a terrorist group. Eliminate Hamas and deal with the Palestinian government. As long as Israel is being attacked by outside terror groups you will never cut any lasting deals.
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        PapaWolf3 months, 1 week ago
        
        The IRA was a terrorist group who turned into a political group.
        Hamas tried to refrain from its terrorist activities & run the gov't, but wasn't even given a chance. It stopped its attacks & received nothing but Israeli attacks, blockades, & general oppression of the Palestinian people.
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        tanglang3 months, 1 week ago
        
        Perhaps the palestinians should have just accepted a homeland back in 1948 and we would not have this problem.
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        PapaWolf3 months, 1 week ago
        
        Perhaps the Palestinians should NOT have been driven off their lands to make room for Israel to begin with. Then we DEFINITELY wouldn't have this problem today.
        Or maybe if the Israelites didn't anger God, they wouldn't have been exiled from their homeland & we wouldn't have this problem.
        As it is, Israel has a right to exist IN ITS BORDERS.
        Then, again, so does Palestine.
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        Thinker223 months, 1 week ago
        
        > Perhaps the Palestinians should NOT have been driven off their lands to make room for Israel to begin with. Then we DEFINITELY wouldn't have this problem today.
        If the Arab states DID NOT attack Israel on the first day of its independence no one would be "driven off their lands". People tend to run for their lives from battlefields, you know...
        > Israel has a right to exist IN ITS BORDERS.
        As of now Israel has internationally recognized borders with Lebanon to the North, Jordan to the East, Egypt to the South. Can you explain to the Palestinian Arabs that Israel has a right to exist IN ITS BORDERS please?
        > Then, again, so does Palestine.
        As of now there is no such state. A NON-EXISTING state does not have borders. This means that if and when the Palestinians will become able and willing to stop violence and negotiate a peace agreement with Israel the borders between Israel and the future Palestinian state will be defined in this peace agreement.
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        tanglang3 months, 1 week ago
        
        Except in 1948, or 1928 for that matter there was no such land as palestine. They were asked if they wanted a country of their own and they declined. Instead they chose to aattck and bomb Israel hoping to drive them into the sea. There is also the fact that the majority of palestinians have been living in what is now Jordan for centuries. While the Jews have been in what is now Israel for 3800 years. If anyone is squatting on palestinian land it's King Abdullah and his oh so sexy wife Queen Rania.
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        PapaWolf3 months, 1 week ago
        
        You forget that the Palestinians had been living on that land for CENTURIES, no matter who was in control of the region. That includes Muslims, Christians AND Jews. They lived in relative peace until pro-Zionist terrorists starting running off all non-Jews.
        But your argument seems to imply that because they did not want their own country, pro-Zionists had the right to drive or kill them off their lands. That's complete & total crap.
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        Thinker223 months, 1 week ago
        
        > You forget that the Palestinians had been living on that land for CENTURIES, no matter who was in control of the region. That includes Muslims, Christians AND Jews.
        Sorry, dear, but this is not the case. PALESTINIANS did not live on that land for centuries. They were invented in the late 1960s. Until that time there were Arabs, Jews, Armenians, Druzes, Kirkassians, even Russians in Palestine... but no 'Palestinians'.
        People who call themselves 'Palestinians' today are Arabs, mostly Muslim but also some Christian Arabs... and there is no reason whatsoever to believe that ALL land in Palestine belonged or should belong EXCLUSIVELY to them.
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        Thinker223 months, 1 week ago
        
        > ...your argument seems to imply that because they did not want their own country, pro-Zionists had the right to drive or kill them off their lands. That's complete & total crap.
        I agree that such argument is complete & total crap. It also has absolutely nothing to do with anyone's argument except yours. Can you produce something better than that?
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        inkegan3 months, 1 week ago
        
        i agree with you
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        djn3nunez33 months, 1 week ago
        
        "Except in 1948, or 1928 for that matter there was no such land as palestine"
        If that is the case why did Lord Balfour write in 1917:
        "His Majesty's Government view with favor the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavors to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country."
        Palestine existed.
        In 1947 after the UN vote, the Palestinain villages inside Israels' alloted land were attacked and their inhabitants expelled. The surrounding Arab nations sent in regulars to try and protect the Arab side of the partition. Furthermore they couldn't very well declare war on a country that didn't exist now could they?
        
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        djn3nunez33 months, 1 week ago
        
        "Perhaps the palestinians should have just accepted a homeland back in 1948 and we would not have this problem."
        Given the political situation in 1948 the Palesinians had no say in the matter.
        
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        Dionys3 months, 1 week ago
        
        "The IRA was a terrorist group who turned into a political group. "
        I suppose that depends on if you were Irish or English.
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        PapaWolf3 months, 1 week ago
        
        >>I suppose that depends on if you were Irish or English
        Wow. Someone who actually gets my point.
        "One Man's Terrorist...." as the saying goes.
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      Thinker223 months, 1 week ago
      
      > Hamas tried the peaceful way by going the political route & by stopping its rocket attacks on Israel for 1 to 2 years.
      During these 1 to 2 years (2005, to be exact when Hamas declared a "hudna") there were 2,990 (Two Thousand Nine Hundred Ninety)terrorist attacks recorded by the Israelis. This is what Hamas (and you) call "the peaceful way"?
      
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  engineer3 months, 1 week ago
  
  If the Israelis weren't attacked on a daily basis, maybe they would not RETALIATE!!
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    PapaWolf3 months, 1 week ago
    
    Look at the numbers. Palestinian attacks average MAYBE 100 a month while Israeli attacks average HUNDREDS PER DAY!!!
    So, tell me: who's attacking whom on a daily basis?
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      Thinker223 months, 1 week ago
      
      > who's attacking whom on a daily basis?
      The Palestinians STARTED this terrorist war when they've refused peace, a sovereign independent state and all kinds of aid they could hope for. Usually, those who START a war are responsible for the results and should not count that the enemy would try to kill EXACTLY the same number of them. If the Allies tried not to exceed the quota of Germans and Japanese killed during WWII it would continue as we speak.
      You see, one fights to WIN the war, not to equal the number of killed.
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        djn3nunez33 months, 1 week ago
        
        Usually, those who START a war are responsible for the results
        That would be the UN. and the partition plan itself. The violence started in ernest right after the UN vote. Which btw the entire Arab league was opposed to. The individual Palestinian towns and villages had no coordinated effort to protect themselves against the superior Israeli militias.
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        Thinker223 months, 1 week ago
        
        >> Usually, those who START a war are responsible for the results
        > That would be the UN. and the partition plan itself. The violence started in ernest right after the UN vote. Which btw the entire Arab league was opposed to.
        The entire Arab League had no right whatsoever to deny the Jews of Palestine the right for self-determination.
        Their opposition to creation of two states in Palestine could have only one meaning, that the Arabs DID NOT want an Arab state there. This is the meaning of self-determination: the Arabs had the right to determine their own lives, not the lives of others (in this case, the Jews).
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      engineer3 months, 1 week ago
      
      Papa#Wolf
      Where are you getting that BS from --- Hyperbola?
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        PapaWolf3 months, 1 week ago
        
        Try doing a google search. I've done it a number of times over the past year & posted data from reliable sources like B't Salam (even tho I don't know how to spell it).
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        djn3nunez33 months, 1 week ago
        
        double post deleted
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        djn3nunez33 months, 1 week ago
        
        Try this link
        http://www.mideastweb.org/briefhistory.htm
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        PapaWolf3 months, 1 week ago
        
        Interesting site. I'm going to read it more thoroughly later.
        Just FYI, I've blocked thinker because he's shown himself to be a racist & bigot: ANYTHING Israel does is good, EVERYTHING Muslims or Arabs do is bad - which apparently extends to Arab Jews.
        He tried making the point multiple times that there was no such land as Palestine because there was no central gov't. He completely ignores the fact that these people, Christians, Muslims & Jews, have been living in their homes for hundreds of years, & also completely ignores the pro-Zionist terrorists who began a program, or pogrom, of driving off or killing all Christian & Muslims to make room for Jews. He seems to think it's OK to kill or harass Arabs, as long as they're not Jews, to get their lands.
        Until he can admit that there's even a possibility that Israel can do wrong, he's lost.
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        djn3nunez33 months, 1 week ago
        
        It seems to be as impartial as you can find.
        Thinker has no basis for that claim as there are plenty of historical documents that proves otherwise.
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        Thinker223 months, 1 week ago
        
        > He tried making the point multiple times that there was no such land as Palestine because there was no central gov't.
        This is a blatant lie. This is the best you're able to produce, Papa?
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        aceofspades13 months, 1 week ago
        
        Where is Hypernut in this thread? perhaps it was one of her relatives who got hit by that rocket.
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abntv3 months, 1 week ago

I heard a comment on the news saying to the effect that what this is in reality is the Iranian invasion of Israel.
I am not sure I dont agree with that thought
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  Dionys3 months, 1 week ago
  
  "I heard a comment on the news saying to the effect that what this is in reality is the Iranian invasion of Israel. "
  Anything excuse the US needs to invade Iran, I guess, will serve.
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    Mutainia3 months, 1 week ago
    
    The BEST excuse America has for stomping Iran is due to it's clerics thinking that the destruction of Israel will bring about the Shiite messiah known as the 12th Imam.
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Mutainia3 months, 1 week ago

WOW!!! A rocket no doubt fired from territory Israel traded in the hopes of attaining peace with Muslims LANDS in a mall and NO Israeli is KILLED?!?! A miracle. Man, for a Being that can create the entire universe just by saying "Be", Allah sure is a lousy aim. Or, is Adonai better at protecting His Chosen? Since "affliction shall not rise up a second time" (Nahum 1:9), seeming to mean NO second holocaust...ah, I'm betting on the latter.
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