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Petraeus picked to lead Central Command
News – Petraeus to oversee war in Afghanistan as well as Iraq
Petraeus takes over for Adm. William Fallon, who resigned
General took command in Iraq in January 2007
Central Command position subject to Senate confirmation
That's right you super libs. Can't back off of Betrayus can you. A competent man working for a competent President. A president that wants diverse opinions. But that does not fir the hate Bush mentality does it.
Bush only wants yes-men. Pet. had been portrayed by superior officers as an ambitious brown-noser for sometime. That is why Bush uses him. The vast majority of competent officers, including Powell, voiced concern about Bush's policies in the ME. Bush only cares about his agenda, and not doing the right thing. That is why they are gone, and Pet. is promoted.
Another israel-firster who thinks killing americans in the mideast for zionist crimes against humanity is just dandy. Why am I not surprised that you support a ZionCon like Petraeus?
Politics â;; Bush invaded Iraq with the intent of turning Iraq into an American colony. The so-called government of Maliki is not a government. Maliki is the well paid front man for U.S. colonial rule. The most likely explanation for the U.S. invasion of Iraq is the neoconservative Bush regime's commitment to the defense of Israeli territorial expansion.
Whether Petreaus is actually competent or not is beside the point, he is an arse-licking politic hack and suck-up who only got the job because he was willing to kill more GIs than the next General.
Bush is as incompetent as they get. Failure at everything he's done, only became president because of Daddy's name, favors, connections, and Dubya is easily manipulated by his handlers like Cheney.
Bush wants diverse opinions like he wants to be held responsible for his actions. Not at all.
he abrupt resignation Tuesday of the combatant commander of U.S. Central Command, Admiral William J. "Fox" Fallon, is not the end of a career but a move calculated to catapult the former naval officer into the vice-presidential sweepstakes. After all, a military man who has proven himself utterly unserious about the Iranian threat would be perfect running mate for either Senators Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton.
Would any president want on his (or her) team an individual who had engaged in serial acts of insubordination and sabotage of a previous commander-in-chief? Consider just a few of the more public examples of such behavior:
The admiral's assignment to Centcom commander came as a shock to those who had observed what some called his "toxic leadership" in the Pacific Command.
Not least, Fallon opined on al-Jazeera last fall that, "This constant drumbeat of conflict . . . is not helpful and not useful. I expect that there will be no war, and that is what we ought to be working for. We ought to try to do our utmost to create different conditions." Asia Times carried a report last year that he would resign if ordered to go to war - a sentiment he never denied.
The question is: Will rank insubordination on a scale arguably not seen in a military commander since MacArthur faded away nearly six decades ago be rewarded by still higher office?
That link is a reprint opinion piece from Nat. Rev. with all sorts of innuendo that if true would convict Fallon of high treason. I wonder why the government hasn't prosecuted the bastard. Probably because it's not true. But don't let the truth get in the way of your spin.
Then answer my question, if those accusations alleged in the article are so true (treasonous to say the least), why hasn't Fallon been courtmartialed or prosecuted?
Fallon's derision toward Petraeus reflected both the CENTCOM commander's personal distaste for Petraeus's style of operating and their fundamental policy differences over Iraq, according to the sources.
Of course you selectively won't remember all the military leaders who questioned Bush's policy before and during the war (including Powell), who were fired for this questioning, the latest being Admiral Fallon. General Pet. and his ambitions, knows which way the wind blows.
Of course you won't remember that the concerns of those dismissed officers, men of actual integrity, turned out to be right.
Why not,everyone that hasn't towed the bush/cheney line is gone,retired or quit.It is a pretty long list.Some of our best military minds gone,while we are at war.Can we afford that?
Like bush,what has Petraeus done that would qualify him to take over central command?
Why do you say he is brilliant? He has failed three times in Iraq so far. In his first mission (Mosul) the entire local police went over to the freedom fighters and took all the weapons Petraeus gave them with them. In his second mission in 2005 he claimed to have already trained so many Iraqi soldiers that they could already takeover from US troops. Thistime around theonly "success" hehas achieved is to pay the freedom fighters not to attack US troops.
Sorry engineer, but your statement seems to be more in keeping with excusing crimes, corruption and incompetence if the perpetrator is jewish. That has led to far too much treason by israel-firsters in america.
Frankly, americans (and especially american jews) need to tell second generation zioncons from europe that they still have a LOT to learn about american democracy and should butt out of our foreign and military policy.
He has achieved high honors. You don't get a Masters and PhD from Princeton University if you are dumb. Princeton is the Number one university in the United States.
I suppose you would call Henry Kissinger and his crimes against humanity "brilliant" as well- just because he is a zioncon.
Henry Kissinger: War Criminal or Old-Fashioned Murderer?
Incredibly, Henry Kissingerâ;;the man who rivals Pol Pot for the dubious honor of being the person responsible for the death of the largest number of innocent people in South East Asia (and far surpasses Pol Pot in criminality when one factors in Kissinger's various levels of responsibility for wholesale slaughter and repression in other parts of the world)â;;still wields significant power in the United States; but his role as eager facilitator of mass murder, totalitarian repression and other atrocities is never discussed in polite society....
Frankly you seem to like to kill jews, christians and moslems. You excuse all kinds of crimes against humanity when perpetrated by zionists. Israel-first is anti-american treason. I agree with more sane, moral jews.
Welcome to Righteous Jews.org
RighteousJews.org was begun in 2003 as a way to commemorate the memory of those Palestinians who have been, and continue to be depopulated, dispossessed, humiliated, tortured, and murdered in the name of political Zionism and its quest to create a Jewish state in the lands between the Mediterranean and the Jordan River. From its founding in 1897 the Zionist endeavors to "pump in" Jews and "pump out" Palestinians from this land have been the root cause of bloodshed and conflict.
These racist endeavors have also been deeply problematic for those who believe in the basic tenets of Judaism of the prophets, namely justice and a duty to heal the world. RighteousJews.org was created to honor those who consider themselves to be Jewish and who have worked for the human rights of non-Jewish Palestinians.
RighteousJews.org was inspired by the website of the most famous Holocaust museum at Yad Vashem, located on Mt. Herzl on the lands of the Palestinian village of Ein Karem 1,400 meters south of the Palestinian village of Deir Yassin. Yad Vashem lists the names of over 19,000 non-Jews who risked their "lives, freedom, and safety in order to rescue one or several Jews from the threat of death or deportation to death camps without exacting in advance monetary compensation." For many years this list was referred to as the list of "Righteous Gentiles." ...
hyperbola is right about Israel. Truth does not make one a bigot. Refusal to address the truth in regards to criminality, is a form of bias, or bigotry.
Try looking at the situation in the ME from a position of objectivity, and ask yourself how you would react if you were the one who's land was stolen, and lives disrupted by non-indigenous Europeans, Americans, and others, claiming YOUR land is THEIR promised land. As an "engineer", you SHOULD be able to look beyond simple conservative programming.
Have you ever asked yourself how YOU would feel if you were in the situation I described? What I wrote is not that complicated. Even you should have been able to understand it.
Such is the limitations of your conservative programming, and your ability to look beyond it.
"..everything seems to be about Jews and Palestine to some"
To be fare Dead exy, I dont think most poeple on Popieller. hyperbola is the only one I know of ... well except for the occassional kookie here and there.
So many people have such a blind uncompromising support for Israel. Where did that come from?
Do these supporters know about the U.S.S. Liberty and the murder of 34 crewmen by Israelis? and our govt.'s refusal to do anything about it? Do they know about the spies for Israel that we have imprisoned, or the recent arrest of an Israeli spy (L.A.Times story) who stole nuclear secrets from us?
Tell me GOPPY, where did this blind support for Israel come from? What did they do to EARN it?
He's a brilliant man. He also knows he cannot disagree with Bush or even criticize because he will be fired
That's a libelous lie.
You don't really expect any less from "engineer," do you?
Petraeus's former boss,Adm Fallon called Petraeus "An a$$ kissing little chickenshit"....don't tell me...phony soldier?
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/12/webb-fallon/
He's a bootlicker and that's why GWB kept him on.
That's right you super libs. Can't back off of Betrayus can you. A competent man working for a competent President. A president that wants diverse opinions. But that does not fir the hate Bush mentality does it.
Bush only wants yes-men. Pet. had been portrayed by superior officers as an ambitious brown-noser for sometime. That is why Bush uses him. The vast majority of competent officers, including Powell, voiced concern about Bush's policies in the ME. Bush only cares about his agenda, and not doing the right thing. That is why they are gone, and Pet. is promoted.
Another israel-firster who thinks killing americans in the mideast for zionist crimes against humanity is just dandy. Why am I not surprised that you support a ZionCon like Petraeus?
Why Does the Bush Regime Want to Rule Iraq?
Politics â;; Bush invaded Iraq with the intent of turning Iraq into an American colony. The so-called government of Maliki is not a government. Maliki is the well paid front man for U.S. colonial rule. The most likely explanation for the U.S. invasion of Iraq is the neoconservative Bush regime's commitment to the defense of Israeli territorial expansion.
http://politics.propeller.com/story/2008/04/23/...
Whether Petreaus is actually competent or not is beside the point, he is an arse-licking politic hack and suck-up who only got the job because he was willing to kill more GIs than the next General.
Bush is as incompetent as they get. Failure at everything he's done, only became president because of Daddy's name, favors, connections, and Dubya is easily manipulated by his handlers like Cheney.
Bush wants diverse opinions like he wants to be held responsible for his actions. Not at all.
The nice part about a confirmation would Petraeus would finally be able to confirm that attacking Iran is the right thing to do.
I'm sure his experience in Iraq will be touted as a first hand account of Iranian duplicity.
Petr. showed his true azz-kisser colors when he made the unprecedented move to lie in an op-ed during the campaign in 2004.
Petr. promised a whole bunch of achievements within six months at the time, none of which have come true years later.
We're still waiting for those brigades Petr. Last I heard about 1,200 more Iraqis deserted at the first sign of a fight. Nice training there big guy.
Oh, and how about all those weapons you lost? How many have been used to kill Americans and innocents so far?
If he's a bootlicker have no fear. You can uncross your legs now because that's the last place on earth he go.
or how about this
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/03/13/opini...
Admiral Fallon For VP?
he abrupt resignation Tuesday of the combatant commander of U.S. Central Command, Admiral William J. "Fox" Fallon, is not the end of a career but a move calculated to catapult the former naval officer into the vice-presidential sweepstakes. After all, a military man who has proven himself utterly unserious about the Iranian threat would be perfect running mate for either Senators Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton.
Would any president want on his (or her) team an individual who had engaged in serial acts of insubordination and sabotage of a previous commander-in-chief? Consider just a few of the more public examples of such behavior:
The admiral's assignment to Centcom commander came as a shock to those who had observed what some called his "toxic leadership" in the Pacific Command.
Not least, Fallon opined on al-Jazeera last fall that, "This constant drumbeat of conflict . . . is not helpful and not useful. I expect that there will be no war, and that is what we ought to be working for. We ought to try to do our utmost to create different conditions." Asia Times carried a report last year that he would resign if ordered to go to war - a sentiment he never denied.
The question is: Will rank insubordination on a scale arguably not seen in a military commander since MacArthur faded away nearly six decades ago be rewarded by still higher office?
pc,
That link is a reprint opinion piece from Nat. Rev. with all sorts of innuendo that if true would convict Fallon of high treason. I wonder why the government hasn't prosecuted the bastard. Probably because it's not true. But don't let the truth get in the way of your spin.
i know it is from the national review the cbs piece refers to it and what is there to prosecute..........
pc,
Then answer my question, if those accusations alleged in the article are so true (treasonous to say the least), why hasn't Fallon been courtmartialed or prosecuted?
http://ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=39235
U.S.-IRAQ: Fallon Derided Petraeus, Opposed the Surge
Fallon's derision toward Petraeus reflected both the CENTCOM commander's personal distaste for Petraeus's style of operating and their fundamental policy differences over Iraq, according to the sources.
http://ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=39235
And we have learned not expect any MORE from the likes of AG and you.
Yet, there you are, making a pig of yourself again. LOL
And there YOU are confirming our opinion of you.
Paul Snow, Richard C. Clarke, Colin Powell, William Fallon,etc., just to name a few!!
Might as well throw Wesley Clark in the mix.
How about Abizaid and Casey
Well then sue him. I'm so sure you'll win your suit. lol.
AlphaGonsis, it is more like a reasonable conjecture based on historical fact.
if by libelous lie you mean reasonable conclusion, I agree with you
unless you think the General hasn't read or heard about all the dismissals listed above
Of course you selectively won't remember all the military leaders who questioned Bush's policy before and during the war (including Powell), who were fired for this questioning, the latest being Admiral Fallon. General Pet. and his ambitions, knows which way the wind blows.
Of course you won't remember that the concerns of those dismissed officers, men of actual integrity, turned out to be right.
>> He's a brilliant man.
> That's a libelous lie.
That's not a very nice thing to say.
Why not,everyone that hasn't towed the bush/cheney line is gone,retired or quit.It is a pretty long list.Some of our best military minds gone,while we are at war.Can we afford that?
Like bush,what has Petraeus done that would qualify him to take over central command?
Why do you say he is brilliant? He has failed three times in Iraq so far. In his first mission (Mosul) the entire local police went over to the freedom fighters and took all the weapons Petraeus gave them with them. In his second mission in 2005 he claimed to have already trained so many Iraqi soldiers that they could already takeover from US troops. Thistime around theonly "success" hehas achieved is to pay the freedom fighters not to attack US troops.
Sorry engineer, but your statement seems to be more in keeping with excusing crimes, corruption and incompetence if the perpetrator is jewish. That has led to far too much treason by israel-firsters in america.
Frankly, americans (and especially american jews) need to tell second generation zioncons from europe that they still have a LOT to learn about american democracy and should butt out of our foreign and military policy.
He has achieved high honors. You don't get a Masters and PhD from Princeton University if you are dumb. Princeton is the Number one university in the United States.
I suppose you would call Henry Kissinger and his crimes against humanity "brilliant" as well- just because he is a zioncon.
Henry Kissinger: War Criminal or Old-Fashioned Murderer?
Incredibly, Henry Kissingerâ;;the man who rivals Pol Pot for the dubious honor of being the person responsible for the death of the largest number of innocent people in South East Asia (and far surpasses Pol Pot in criminality when one factors in Kissinger's various levels of responsibility for wholesale slaughter and repression in other parts of the world)â;;still wields significant power in the United States; but his role as eager facilitator of mass murder, totalitarian repression and other atrocities is never discussed in polite society....
http://www.eclipse.net/~tgardnet/kiss/kisskill....
I'm giving a negative to you because of your antisemitic rap.
I'm giving you a negative because of your anti Israel, antisemitic BS.
Frankly you seem to like to kill jews, christians and moslems. You excuse all kinds of crimes against humanity when perpetrated by zionists. Israel-first is anti-american treason. I agree with more sane, moral jews.
Welcome to Righteous Jews.org
RighteousJews.org was begun in 2003 as a way to commemorate the memory of those Palestinians who have been, and continue to be depopulated, dispossessed, humiliated, tortured, and murdered in the name of political Zionism and its quest to create a Jewish state in the lands between the Mediterranean and the Jordan River. From its founding in 1897 the Zionist endeavors to "pump in" Jews and "pump out" Palestinians from this land have been the root cause of bloodshed and conflict.
These racist endeavors have also been deeply problematic for those who believe in the basic tenets of Judaism of the prophets, namely justice and a duty to heal the world. RighteousJews.org was created to honor those who consider themselves to be Jewish and who have worked for the human rights of non-Jewish Palestinians.
RighteousJews.org was inspired by the website of the most famous Holocaust museum at Yad Vashem, located on Mt. Herzl on the lands of the Palestinian village of Ein Karem 1,400 meters south of the Palestinian village of Deir Yassin. Yad Vashem lists the names of over 19,000 non-Jews who risked their "lives, freedom, and safety in order to rescue one or several Jews from the threat of death or deportation to death camps without exacting in advance monetary compensation." For many years this list was referred to as the list of "Righteous Gentiles." ...
http://www.righteousjews.org/
hyperbola is right about Israel. Truth does not make one a bigot. Refusal to address the truth in regards to criminality, is a form of bias, or bigotry.
Try looking at the situation in the ME from a position of objectivity, and ask yourself how you would react if you were the one who's land was stolen, and lives disrupted by non-indigenous Europeans, Americans, and others, claiming YOUR land is THEIR promised land. As an "engineer", you SHOULD be able to look beyond simple conservative programming.
"hyperbola is right about Israel."
Yep, New you were a lunatic.
If you had any semblance of reasoning ability, you would agree with hyperbola. Careful, your programming is showing.
Have you ever asked yourself how YOU would feel if you were in the situation I described? What I wrote is not that complicated. Even you should have been able to understand it.
Such is the limitations of your conservative programming, and your ability to look beyond it.
land was stolen?
whose land was it?
in the 1880's Ottoman census, there were already 24,000 plus Jews living there
this is before Zionism and the mass emigration of later years
Did those Jews steal the land?
If so, when did they steal it?
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and what is this thread about? Jews?
everything seems to be about Jews and Palestine to some
Dead exy said:
"..everything seems to be about Jews and Palestine to some"
To be fare Dead exy, I dont think most poeple on Popieller. hyperbola is the only one I know of ... well except for the occassional kookie here and there.
A lot of what hyperbola writes IS accurate.
So many people have such a blind uncompromising support for Israel. Where did that come from?
Do these supporters know about the U.S.S. Liberty and the murder of 34 crewmen by Israelis? and our govt.'s refusal to do anything about it? Do they know about the spies for Israel that we have imprisoned, or the recent arrest of an Israeli spy (L.A.Times story) who stole nuclear secrets from us?
Tell me GOPPY, where did this blind support for Israel come from? What did they do to EARN it?
"well except for the occassional kookie here and there."
Please define 'occasional'.
:-)
> You don't get a Masters and PhD from Princeton University if you are dumb.
Bush, Yale, Harvard.
go figure.
Those degree's do not make a qualified military leader.It takes more than classroom study.
I gave you a pos about Betrayus, but not about the last paragraph.