News – Retired general Michael Dunlavey, who supervised GuantÃ;¡namo for eight months in 2002, tried to locate records on Mohammed al-Qahtani, accused by the US of plotting the 9/11 attacks, but found they had disappeared.
WATER BOARDING CAUSES NO SCARS...LETS NO BLOOD, BREAKS NO BONES--ERGO--NO TORTURE
"WATER BOARDING CAUSES NO SCARS...LETS NO BLOOD, BREAKS NO BONES--ERGO--NO TORTURE"
You are a moron.
More than half the US Intelligence and counter-Intelligence officers that go through this kind of torture at the hands of their brothers, knowing full well they will come out of it just fine and are being watched at every moment, end up having severe psychological trauma that needs to be treated. And they know it's 'just a simulation' and that their saviours are right at hand.
You are an embarassment to this country.
Frankly, I think a REALLY good definition of torture was given by a member of this Administration (AG Mukasey I believe) "if it happened to me, I would consider it torture".
So not only does this Administration send EVERYONES family members (except their own) into fight this illegal war. But they also use tactics on detainees that THEY wouldn't want to be subjected to and I doubt they would want THEIR family member subjected to.
And before you start spouting off about how these tactics are "getting useful information" and "these people are criminal so they don't count". I would like to point out that...1) there is NO evidence that torture has EVER produced useful information and 2) there have been MORE people RELEASED (because they were innocent) then have been CONVICTED up to this point. Which means (in MY book) that there are MORE people being tortured that have done NOTHING wrong, then those being tortured who DID anything related to 9-11 or since!
Well, it's such a big place...unprotected borders, anyone can come and go as they like...thousands upon thousands of people pass through with no security, no body searches, no fences and gates, no RFID tags to track their movements...I mean, what do you expect...of course people are going to come in and steal things. And if they can steal them from Guantanamo...well, just think what's happening on our borders...we need those fences now! It's a matter of national security.
This administration will be keeping the shredders busy the last few months in office. They will be destroying any and all evidence that may be used against them.
EVERY administration does this.
"EVERY administration does this."
Really? I don't remember any other administrations that have built a torture camp, engage in flying many people to countries that allow torture and start a pre-emptive, imperialist war on other countries. At least not in recent history.
i appreciate what you're saying but shredding the paper trail was the point
I understand what you're saying, but I think the amount that's being 'shredded' (physically and metaphorically) by this administration during the administration and specifically during investigations far outshines any previous administration's crimes.
you right haters are hilarious,,all you need to do is go look at the clinton administration if you want a truly crooked administration. selling nuke secrets,missing fbi files,whitewater,rose law firms billing records, how about those chinese donations, the clinton administration has more people under investigation and charges than any other, not just in recent history but all history,, hey if you dont like bush fine i get that,, but to try and make him worst that bubba and hillary makes me laugh,,,,,bush the greatest american president in modern history,like it or not.
eyesclosed,
Really? I didn't know Clinton started Gitmo.
no clinton didnt, either did bush,,guantanamo was formed under your other socialist dieties of worship, jfk and lbj. so if you got a problem with gitmo maybe you should go knocking the right people.
Ever hear of Teddy Roosevelt? He was president when we leased Guantanamo Bay for a naval base. And he was a Republican, boys and girls, when being a Republican was just being a member of the other party, but still loyal, constitution-supporting, oath keeping Americans.
uh he was a bull moose,, and it wasnt until after the cuban missle crisis that gitmo was completely militarized, it was sailor base until then,,,we no longer leased it from that point on, its now a full fledged u.s. military base, thanks to your dieties kennedy and johnson. if you want constitution busters, take a good look at the eschelon program,,you know the super surveillance program set up under the clinton dictatorship,,you know the one based in europe so it doesnt have to follow the u.s. constitution,,,do you remember that one, it wasnt set up to protect anything it was set up to do survellance on u.s. citizens from afar...
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Snafu--ya.
It seems like whenever a crime is committed, the evidence gets "lost" and *that* crime is never investigated. It's disgusting that anyone could support such an administration filled with criminals, liars and wrongdoing.
Hmmm...didn't that happen to Bush's military records, too? They just sort of, uh, disappeared. Funny how these things happen, huh...
Actually it's worse. They disappeared and then a different set reappeared on paper and with typing that was inconsistant with the historical period.
That was Dan Rather.
LOL That was Dan Rather being set up. Bush people knew they were fake because they created them to get Rather fired because the originals were destroyed years before. Bush's dad was the head of the CIA and as the head I don't think for one minute that he would let those papers get in the "wrong" hands.
And his wife's auto accident report disappeared, too.