News – Former US President Jimmy Carter has said that Hamas is prepared to accept the right of Israel to "live as a neighbour next door in peace".
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Carter is the only one who could do this! Let's give him a great hand
Agreed although I don't think he should have hugged him.Too symbolic walking on a razors edge.
It's just a greeting, like a handshake over here.
or like a kiss between Bush and the Saudi princes behind the Saudi terrorists.
No bid deal, right?
By ALBERT AJI, Associated Press Writer
DAMASCUS, Syria - The leader of Hamas says his Palestinian militant group is offering Israel a 10-year truce if it withdraws from all lands it seized in the 1967 war. Khaled Mashaal says he made the offer to former President Carter in talks on Saturday.
Mashaal says Hamas would accept a Palestinian state limited to the lands Israel seized in 1967 รข;; an implicit acceptance that Israel would exist alongside that state.
But Mashaal says the group would never outright formally recognize Israel.
Some deal ol' Carter put together there. What a blithering idiot.
"He called me to his hotel in New York when attending a fundraiser and said, "You have done me more damage than any man in America." I felt proud then, and even more today, since we now know what a miserable president he was then and the miserable human being he is now as he prepares to meet with Hamas." Former NYC Mayor Ed Koch
So Tessylo were you giving the AP writer a neg, Ed Koch, or was it because Hamas offered a 10 year truce?
I'll bet not, I bet, like me, he is giving you a neg for the name calling at the end.
You're right Ratskii - for calling Carter a blithering idiot - a man who tries for peace - when the current administration does everything in their power to cause death and destruction.
HA HA Ratskii thinks your a guy too. Told you to write more girly.
But Mashaal says the group would never outright formally recognize Israel
And how many Arab Nations have never outright formally recognized Israel?
Aftger ten years of Peace Maybe the Palestinian people would decide living in peace is better than death and destruction.
But you know if Carter can be called these kind of things for just listening and talking to Hamas, a deal for peace is longer than ten years away.
Thanks for the info. djn about being like a handshake.That had me bothered.Historically "enemies" have to deal with each other one way or another but I didn't want Carter to shift the perceptions and harden hearts we even more.
Carter has the right to do what he wants but there are inherent dangers being an unofficial emmisary especially an ex-president.
Hey,
I think the Israelis should make a counter offer.
The Palis permanently cede 1/2 of Gaza and 1/3 of the West Bank to Israel in exchange for a 10 year truce.
How about both sides cede each other all illegally gained lands since 1967?
The Pals have been asking for this since 1967, but the Israelis have refused. Why?
At least two reasons I've read of, Lurch: one, the strip of land between the old pre-1967 West Bank and the Mediterranean was considered impossibly narrow and made the country far too easy to split in two; secondly, Jerusalem as the ancient capital of the Jews needed to be entirely in Israeli hands, not divided up, with Jordan.
Doubtless there're more, but those spring to mind, right now.
But why?
Israel has a right to exist.
So does Palestine.
Both sides need to start killing each other a little less.
Also, Israel was perfectly willing to accept the UN Partition until they realised that they were strong enough to take whay they wanted.
story not accutate. Please move along. Carter lied. Hamas refuted this statement 12 hours ago.
Dave
Was it Carter that lied or the Hamas?? How many times have the Arabs made an agreement or a statement and backed down after pressure from their radical members. I tend to think that Carter told it like it was and the Hamas changed their position.
Yep...Carter lied. Bush, on the other hand, did not lie. He was "misinformed."
As are you.
IFergie, Long time no see. Hope all is well.
All pleasantries aside, Carter is a p o s. Look at the destruction he caused to Africa by 'validating' the elctions of dictators who cut off the arms of people who said they would vote against him. Look at the fact that he is responsible for the nuclear N Korea we have today.
I don't trust carter, or believe one peanut farming thing that comes out of his hole.
Also, I do agree with you that the muslims do intentionally lie to get their way every chance they get.
I'm doing fine thank you.
As you stated: "All pleasantries aside". It is quite a coincidence that you would not believe anything a peanut farmer president would say but you have great faith in the accuracy of the words of an oil man president. Carter was a religious man when Bush Jr was pickling his brain with alcohol.
Glad to hear it.
I'm from Ga. We don't care too much for old Jimmy here. I did however use the term "peanut farming" to replace a naught term that I would have liked to use.
lfergie812: "Was it Carter that lied or the Hamas??"
Probably neither. I don't see any contradiction in their statements. Carter said Hamas is willing to live in peace with Israel as a neighbor, while Hamas said they would not formally recognize Israel. There is a host of possibilities between formal recognition and constant war. Unless I'm mistaken, China has never formally recognized Taiwan as an independent nation, but they have been living in peace for quite some time now.
Well...it passes for peace.
One day, there will probably be war over Taiwan, though.
Ummm, Hamas has ALREADY released a statement saying this is a flat out lie.
Carter already caught in a lie...SHOCKER. This article should be removed as innaccurate.
You have no proof that Carter lied or was inaccurate unless you suddenly started believing the Arabs.
http://www.israeltoday.co.il/default.aspx?tabid=79
In part
However, almost immediately after Carter spoke, Hamas spokesman Sami Abu Zuhri told reporters that the American had apparently gotten ahead of himself, or misinterpreted statements by the Hamas leadership to fit his own agenda.
Hamas, said Abu Zuhri, was indeed prepared to allow a referendum on a two-state solution, but made no guarantees that it would accept the results.
And that, of course, is the primary reason Israel will not consider including Hamas in peace talks.
It is very apparent to me that this is a negotiating strategy by both sides.
Hamas: put the two-state solution on the table, but try to get the most you can in exchange for recognizing Israel
Israel: make two-state recognition a condition of the negotiation, so with that off the table, Israel`s bargaining position is much stronger
This does not prove that Carter lied. All it proves is that the Hamas either 1. Changed their position 2 Misled Carter or 3 Ideas were misunderstood through translation of their conversation.
At the very least Carter is trying to bring peace to the area (which I believe will never happen) instead of trying to go to war with every Arab nation. ( To run up the price of oil I might add)
Carter is a mess. Sorry, but it's true.
Carter has done more in one weekend as a private citizen than the entire Bush admin has done for peace in the last seven years with all the resources of the USA at their calling.
If Carter is a mess, what does that make the Republicans?
"Carter has done more in one weekend as a private citizen than the entire Bush admin has done for peace in the last seven years with all the resources of the USA at their calling."
He has done more alright, but meeting with them he has done more HARM than anyone has ever done.
>He has done more alright, but meeting with them he has done more HARM than anyone has ever done.
Only if you are part of the military-entertainment complex and hate your country.
"Only if you are part of the military-entertainment complex and hate your country."
oh, but to live in liberal candy land where the rivers run red with cool-aid and the trees are cotton candy.
GLee
You might like this political cartoon.
http://www.ibdeditorials.com/cartoons.aspx
I wonder how his critics feel now. Thing is Israel doesn't want this I am sure they will do all they can to stop this frome being.
Israel intent is to take that land and they will keep this going until they do!
You're absolutely right. Only Dhimmi Carter is so abysmally stupid as to say to Israel: "Y'all gets to be neighbors now, so forget SOVEREIGNTY."
Not happenin dude.
He seems to be more naive than me.LOL
I'd have to say there's plenty of room between naivety and pure cynicism for Carter to operate. The worst anyone can do is just give up.
I have been trying to refrain from writing any comments because there is no actual discussion on Propeller, just the usual put downs with no factual base. But then ignorance shown by you first couple of people is just blaring.
How do you think Carter is going to spread peace? Like he did in Iran by helping to Install a Islamo Fascist government? Or how he stood up for Chavez when Chavez tried to change the constitution to become a dictator forever ( even Bush didnt try that one and you still stick up for chavez,idiots)? Or how about the time when Carter wrote in his book that Israel doesnt have a right to exist?
I guess when your a Liberal, asking a question of someones past doesnt matter. Obama is another example of this and it's scary to know you are trying to nominate someone that has a racist view of everything.
Libs. think with you head, not your emotions.
Im sorry, but I just have to laugh at the most obvious form of kettle callin pot black.
Heres a member whos positionin himself as bein somehow 'above the fray' of others ... with their 'put downs' ...
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and what is this members chosen name?
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DanmLiburals!!!
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Now, if that aint the clearest sign that we Conservatives are incapable of rational thought!!
We are, in a word ... shoobie shoobie craaazie!!
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Want MORE proof?
This member, DanmLiburals (but repeated often by other shoobies) actually BLAMES Jimmy for orchestrating the installation of a "Islamo Fascist' goverment!!
Now, I realize that our Christian Conservative support of Neo-Con militirism REQUIRES us to be ignorant of facts, but still, Im an adult, and I know that it was Eisenhower's topplin of a DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED Premier in 1954 that laid the groundwork for Khomeni's rise to power.
I mean, I realize that we Christian Conservatives have been trained to alay all rational considerations in favor of supportin the overt militirism and near-fascist policies of the Neo-Conservative movement ... all because they promised us more political power ... But LETS GET REAL!!
This contract with the Neo-Cons is simply becomin TOO MUCH of a burden for our Christian values!
Its too much a burden for ANYONE who wants to live a life of rational, empirical observation ... based in TRUTH ... as opposed to the craaazie partisan, mindless rhetoric the Republican Media Machine requires us to parrot back.
I mean, lets get REAL!!
Who REALLY believes that we can invade any nation we want on a whim, topple any leader we want for our pleasure, and support any ruthless dictator we desire ... WITHOUT ANY EVENTUAL REPURCUSSIONS?!!
DanmLiburals - I URGE you to RE-join the world of RATIONALity.
And please, stop acting liek you dont put poeple down.
K?
BTW ... heres the Wikipedia notes on the US involvement in the overthrow of the Democratically Elected Premier.
Liek Iraq today, the concern was losing control of oil contracts.
And I apologize for the date. The FACTUAL date was 1953, not 1954.
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From the Wikipedia account:
"The idea of overthrowing Mosaddeq was conceived by the British who asked President Truman for assistance but he refused. The British raised the idea again to Eisenhower who became president in 1953. The new administration agreed to participate in overthrowing the elected government of Iran."
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We will never know peace as a nation unless we stop interfering with other nations who simply want to rule themselves.
That Wikipedia is a libural/communist plot and is nowheres mentioned in the bible. Hell, that '1953' must be the Muslim date. Thems different from American dates, ya know......
Let's take a little trip down memory lane with Jimmy who was president from 1977 to 1981. Some memories from those years:
1)Lines at the gas pump.
2)Interest rates approaching 17%.
3)Boycott of the 1980 Olympic Games.
4)General depression of the American People that was so bad Carter himself acknowledged it in his "malaise speech."
5)Unemployment reaching 7.8% in August of 1980.
6)The Iranians took 52 American Diplomats hostage and held them for 444 days.
7)Under Carter, the American military had become so impotent that a rescue mission failed when helicopters crashed in the desert.
Citing human rights abuses, Carter withdrew American support for the Shah of Iran and in fact demanded that he step down.
Carter ordered the Pentagon to advise the Shah's military not to oppose Ayatollah Khomeini who was returning from exile. Khomeini's Islamic revolution was the result, and most of the top military people were executed as one of the first acts of the new government.
MAN ALIVE capey!!
You are sufferin from what I liek to call Divertist!
The only issue that you mention that Jimmy Carter had any hand in was the Olympic Boycott! And THATS the one thing the righties supported!!
Lets look at each issue, shall we, and compare them to our Goerge W. Bush.
1. Long lines ... a result of the Saudi Arabia boycot. This boycot was supported by American oil companies who saw an opportunity for higher profits.
These boycotts were started in Nixon's and Ford's administration. Interest rate were the result of Nixon's Phase I, II ,III, etc.
But Goppy, don't let facts cloud capecore's statement because he can't help it if he suffers from dementia.
Actually, the Bush oil crisis is worse than the Carter oil crisis. Despite having plenty of supply, the price of oil has gone up at a quicker rate during Bush than during the oil crisis when there was no supply during the 70s.
Makes you go hmmm....
Good point Lurch. I haven't seen any long lines at the pumps unless the gas station has the price a few cents less per gallon than the one across the street.