Carter: Hamas will accept Israel »
Posted By MyWayOnNow 5 months, 3 weeks ago in NewsFormer US President Jimmy Carter has said that Hamas is prepared to accept the right of Israel to "live as a neighbour next door in peace".
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rdy2rck5 months, 3 weeks ago
Agreed although I don't think he should have hugged him.Too symbolic walking on a razors edge.
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Lurch5 months, 3 weeks ago
or like a kiss between Bush and the Saudi princes behind the Saudi terrorists.
No bid deal, right?
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capecoralM5 months, 3 weeks ago
By ALBERT AJI, Associated Press Writer
DAMASCUS, Syria - The leader of Hamas says his Palestinian militant group is offering Israel a 10-year truce if it withdraws from all lands it seized in the 1967 war. Khaled Mashaal says he made the offer to former President Carter in talks on Saturday.
Mashaal says Hamas would accept a Palestinian state limited to the lands Israel seized in 1967 â;; an implicit acceptance that Israel would exist alongside that state.
But Mashaal says the group would never outright formally recognize Israel.
Some deal ol' Carter put together there. What a blithering idiot.
"He called me to his hotel in New York when attending a fundraiser and said, "You have done me more damage than any man in America." I felt proud then, and even more today, since we now know what a miserable president he was then and the miserable human being he is now as he prepares to meet with Hamas." Former NYC Mayor Ed Koch
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djn3nunez35 months, 3 weeks ago
But Mashaal says the group would never outright formally recognize Israel
And how many Arab Nations have never outright formally recognized Israel?
Aftger ten years of Peace Maybe the Palestinian people would decide living in peace is better than death and destruction.
But you know if Carter can be called these kind of things for just listening and talking to Hamas, a deal for peace is longer than ten years away.
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rdy2rck5 months, 3 weeks ago
Thanks for the info. djn about being like a handshake.That had me bothered.Historically "enemies" have to deal with each other one way or another but I didn't want Carter to shift the perceptions and harden hearts we even more.
Carter has the right to do what he wants but there are inherent dangers being an unofficial emmisary especially an ex-president.
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blinkers5 months, 3 weeks ago
At least two reasons I've read of, Lurch: one, the strip of land between the old pre-1967 West Bank and the Mediterranean was considered impossibly narrow and made the country far too easy to split in two; secondly, Jerusalem as the ancient capital of the Jews needed to be entirely in Israeli hands, not divided up, with Jordan.
Doubtless there're more, but those spring to mind, right now.
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StarLord5 months, 3 weeks ago
But why?
Israel has a right to exist.
So does Palestine.
Both sides need to start killing each other a little less.
Also, Israel was perfectly willing to accept the UN Partition until they realised that they were strong enough to take whay they wanted.
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tanglang5 months, 3 weeks ago
IFergie, Long time no see. Hope all is well.
All pleasantries aside, Carter is a p o s. Look at the destruction he caused to Africa by 'validating' the elctions of dictators who cut off the arms of people who said they would vote against him. Look at the fact that he is responsible for the nuclear N Korea we have today.
I don't trust carter, or believe one peanut farming thing that comes out of his hole.
Also, I do agree with you that the muslims do intentionally lie to get their way every chance they get.
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lfergie8125 months, 3 weeks ago
I'm doing fine thank you.
As you stated: "All pleasantries aside". It is quite a coincidence that you would not believe anything a peanut farmer president would say but you have great faith in the accuracy of the words of an oil man president. Carter was a religious man when Bush Jr was pickling his brain with alcohol.
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Candida5 months, 3 weeks ago
lfergie812: "Was it Carter that lied or the Hamas??"
Probably neither. I don't see any contradiction in their statements. Carter said Hamas is willing to live in peace with Israel as a neighbor, while Hamas said they would not formally recognize Israel. There is a host of possibilities between formal recognition and constant war. Unless I'm mistaken, China has never formally recognized Taiwan as an independent nation, but they have been living in peace for quite some time now.
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NoSpinDave5 months, 3 weeks ago
Ummm, Hamas has ALREADY released a statement saying this is a flat out lie.
Carter already caught in a lie...SHOCKER. This article should be removed as innaccurate.
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airglide5 months, 3 weeks ago
http://www.israeltoday.co.il/default.aspx?tabid=79
In part
However, almost immediately after Carter spoke, Hamas spokesman Sami Abu Zuhri told reporters that the American had apparently gotten ahead of himself, or misinterpreted statements by the Hamas leadership to fit his own agenda.
Hamas, said Abu Zuhri, was indeed prepared to allow a referendum on a two-state solution, but made no guarantees that it would accept the results.
And that, of course, is the primary reason Israel will not consider including Hamas in peace talks.
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Lurch5 months, 3 weeks ago
It is very apparent to me that this is a negotiating strategy by both sides.
Hamas: put the two-state solution on the table, but try to get the most you can in exchange for recognizing Israel
Israel: make two-state recognition a condition of the negotiation, so with that off the table, Israel`s bargaining position is much stronger
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lfergie8125 months, 3 weeks ago
This does not prove that Carter lied. All it proves is that the Hamas either 1. Changed their position 2 Misled Carter or 3 Ideas were misunderstood through translation of their conversation.
At the very least Carter is trying to bring peace to the area (which I believe will never happen) instead of trying to go to war with every Arab nation. ( To run up the price of oil I might add)
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NoSpinDave5 months, 3 weeks ago
"Only if you are part of the military-entertainment complex and hate your country."
oh, but to live in liberal candy land where the rivers run red with cool-aid and the trees are cotton candy.
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Blackacereturn5 months, 3 weeks ago
Israel intent is to take that land and they will keep this going until they do!
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Georgia505 months, 3 weeks ago
You're absolutely right. Only Dhimmi Carter is so abysmally stupid as to say to Israel: "Y'all gets to be neighbors now, so forget SOVEREIGNTY."
Not happenin dude.
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Tangent0015 months, 3 weeks ago
I'd have to say there's plenty of room between naivety and pure cynicism for Carter to operate. The worst anyone can do is just give up.
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DanmLiberals5 months, 3 weeks ago
I have been trying to refrain from writing any comments because there is no actual discussion on Propeller, just the usual put downs with no factual base. But then ignorance shown by you first couple of people is just blaring.
How do you think Carter is going to spread peace? Like he did in Iran by helping to Install a Islamo Fascist government? Or how he stood up for Chavez when Chavez tried to change the constitution to become a dictator forever ( even Bush didnt try that one and you still stick up for chavez,idiots)? Or how about the time when Carter wrote in his book that Israel doesnt have a right to exist?
I guess when your a Liberal, asking a question of someones past doesnt matter. Obama is another example of this and it's scary to know you are trying to nominate someone that has a racist view of everything.
Libs. think with you head, not your emotions.
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Goppy5 months, 3 weeks ago
Im sorry, but I just have to laugh at the most obvious form of kettle callin pot black.
Heres a member whos positionin himself as bein somehow 'above the fray' of others ... with their 'put downs' ...
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and what is this members chosen name?
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DanmLiburals!!!
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Now, if that aint the clearest sign that we Conservatives are incapable of rational thought!!
We are, in a word ... shoobie shoobie craaazie!!
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Want MORE proof?
This member, DanmLiburals (but repeated often by other shoobies) actually BLAMES Jimmy for orchestrating the installation of a "Islamo Fascist' goverment!!
Now, I realize that our Christian Conservative support of Neo-Con militirism REQUIRES us to be ignorant of facts, but still, Im an adult, and I know that it was Eisenhower's topplin of a DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED Premier in 1954 that laid the groundwork for Khomeni's rise to power.
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Goppy5 months, 3 weeks ago
I mean, I realize that we Christian Conservatives have been trained to alay all rational considerations in favor of supportin the overt militirism and near-fascist policies of the Neo-Conservative movement ... all because they promised us more political power ... But LETS GET REAL!!
This contract with the Neo-Cons is simply becomin TOO MUCH of a burden for our Christian values!
Its too much a burden for ANYONE who wants to live a life of rational, empirical observation ... based in TRUTH ... as opposed to the craaazie partisan, mindless rhetoric the Republican Media Machine requires us to parrot back.
I mean, lets get REAL!!
Who REALLY believes that we can invade any nation we want on a whim, topple any leader we want for our pleasure, and support any ruthless dictator we desire ... WITHOUT ANY EVENTUAL REPURCUSSIONS?!!
DanmLiburals - I URGE you to RE-join the world of RATIONALity.
And please, stop acting liek you dont put poeple down.
K?
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Goppy5 months, 3 weeks ago
BTW ... heres the Wikipedia notes on the US involvement in the overthrow of the Democratically Elected Premier.
Liek Iraq today, the concern was losing control of oil contracts.
And I apologize for the date. The FACTUAL date was 1953, not 1954.
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From the Wikipedia account:
"The idea of overthrowing Mosaddeq was conceived by the British who asked President Truman for assistance but he refused. The British raised the idea again to Eisenhower who became president in 1953. The new administration agreed to participate in overthrowing the elected government of Iran."
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We will never know peace as a nation unless we stop interfering with other nations who simply want to rule themselves.
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ProudBlueTexan5 months, 3 weeks ago
That Wikipedia is a libural/communist plot and is nowheres mentioned in the bible. Hell, that '1953' must be the Muslim date. Thems different from American dates, ya know......
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capecoralM5 months, 3 weeks ago
Let's take a little trip down memory lane with Jimmy who was president from 1977 to 1981. Some memories from those years:
1)Lines at the gas pump.
2)Interest rates approaching 17%.
3)Boycott of the 1980 Olympic Games.
4)General depression of the American People that was so bad Carter himself acknowledged it in his "malaise speech."
5)Unemployment reaching 7.8% in August of 1980.
6)The Iranians took 52 American Diplomats hostage and held them for 444 days.
7)Under Carter, the American military had become so impotent that a rescue mission failed when helicopters crashed in the desert.
Citing human rights abuses, Carter withdrew American support for the Shah of Iran and in fact demanded that he step down.
Carter ordered the Pentagon to advise the Shah's military not to oppose Ayatollah Khomeini who was returning from exile. Khomeini's Islamic revolution was the result, and most of the top military people were executed as one of the first acts of the new government.
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Goppy5 months, 3 weeks ago
MAN ALIVE capey!!
You are sufferin from what I liek to call Divertist!
The only issue that you mention that Jimmy Carter had any hand in was the Olympic Boycott! And THATS the one thing the righties supported!!
Lets look at each issue, shall we, and compare them to our Goerge W. Bush.
1. Long lines ... a result of the Saudi Arabia boycot. This boycot was supported by American oil companies who saw an opportunity for higher profits.
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lfergie8125 months, 3 weeks ago
These boycotts were started in Nixon's and Ford's administration. Interest rate were the result of Nixon's Phase I, II ,III, etc.
But Goppy, don't let facts cloud capecore's statement because he can't help it if he suffers from dementia.
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lfergie8125 months, 3 weeks ago
Good point Lurch. I haven't seen any long lines at the pumps unless the gas station has the price a few cents less per gallon than the one across the street.
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lfergie8125 months, 3 weeks ago
Wait until the energy cost catches up with the cost of products. Prices are already rising from the cost of transportation. Airlines either going belly up or increase prices because of fuel prices.
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Goppy5 months, 3 weeks ago
4. The reason we were depressed was because we realized for the first time that Nixon, havin just been booted from office, was a supreme liar. We also realized that the Militirist Philosophy caint control the world.
Plus, the Beatles had broken up.
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Goppy5 months, 3 weeks ago
5. Just liek I dont never blame Bush for our unemployment rates or interest rates, I dont blame Jimmy for those.
Its determined by the Fed.
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Goppy5 months, 3 weeks ago
6. How the h ell do we blame Carter for the Iranian revolution when it all goes back to our installin a puppet regiem?
Look, this is FACT.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_...
America under Eisenhower toppled a freely elected Prime Minister and installed a repressive puppet friendly to the US.
This is a recipe for long term disaster. It CREATES enemies.
And thats what happened.
If you are upset by the hostage situation, put the blame where honest poeple place it ... on American interference with Iranian affairs.
Its your basic cause and effect.
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Goppy5 months, 3 weeks ago
7. Carter was a former Navy man. He inherited a demoralized military that was mismanaged for years in a failed Vietnam policy.
When a nation has perverted the purpose of the military, it becomes ineffectual.
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Goppy5 months, 3 weeks ago
Carter askin the Shah to step down was the only intellegent thing for America to do.
If Goerge W. Bush had been presdient, he would no doubt had pursued the Neo-con strategy of invadin Iran.
You should be aware, capey, that after 9/11, Iranians were marchin in the street in SUPPORT of the US.
There was even talk of a poeples revolution that might topple the hardliner mullahs.
But when GW attacked Iraq, their next door neighbor, all protests FOR American stopped, and protests AGAINST America began ... which made the hardliners quite happy.
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ProudBlueTexan5 months, 3 weeks ago
[in best Barney Fife voice] Look, Goppy, you got something to say, say it!
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djn3nunez35 months, 3 weeks ago
LOL
"helping to Install a Islamo Fascist government?"
Carter or was the Bush Sr. that was courting the Ayatollah?
"Or how he stood up for Chavez"
As oppsosed to supporting a failed coup like the current Adminoistration.
"Carter wrote in his book that Israel doesnt have a right to exist"
Direct quotes please. Each of your arguments are simply based on lies. Stop listening to Rush he tell you sweet little lies.....
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Goppy5 months, 3 weeks ago
Do you think THATS where DanmLiburals is gettin this tripe?
MAN ALIVE!!
I LOVED his last line...
"Libs. think with you head, not your emotions."
Thats how Neo-Cons rule! Emotions is the essence of their control over Christian Conservatives!!
DanmLiburals must not have been hearing the latest right wing drumbeat,
"If we dont defeat them in Iraq, they will follow us to America and we will be fighting them here in Main Street."
Funny how most all the nations have pulled outta Iraq after finally recognizin what a boon doggle it was. And yet, they all seem to have moved on and are livin quite nicely. No 'hand to hand' combat that I see.
Or maybe DanmLiburals dont remember this ULTIMATE emotive line ...
"We dont want the Smoking Gun to be a Mushroom Cloud."
Turns out, GW knew all along there was no such thing. Turns out, Dick Cheney twisted arms at the CIA to have them bring that scenario into 'possible' reality.
Neo-Cons rule by Fear Emotion.
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Goppy5 months, 3 weeks ago
Im so sorry, but Im STILL laughin at DanmLliburals unbelievable comments.
He says when youre a Libural, asking a question of someones past dont matter.
My GOD!!
I simply cannot believe an American would have the balls to say such a thing!! I am simply astonished that such a person is otherwise capable of stringin words together to make a sentence.
Perhaps, DanmLiburals, you shoulda asked more bout our ole Goerge W. Bushs past.
How he was a draft dodger.
How he wrote a letter beggin to get outta goin to Vietnam
How he was an admitted coke-haid
How he is an alcoholic (recoverin ... but an alky all the saem)
How he prided himself as a 'C' student ... never tryin too hard at anything.
How his first real job was bein appointed to the Board of Directors of an oil company so that company could ingratiate themselfs with George H W Bush.
How he stole land from hunderts of Arlington resdients usin Eminent Domain.
You are one shoobie shoobie fella.
LOL!!
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ProudBlueTexan5 months, 3 weeks ago
"How he is an alcoholic (recoverin ... but an alky all the saem)"
I'll just point out again, bushCo never even attempted the 12 Steps of AA; he just praised Jaysus and quit cold turkey, and THAT ain't recovery. (but your point is well taken and appreciated)
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ArgoNunya5 months, 3 weeks ago
Re: Goppy
" How he was a draft dodger."
" How he wrote a letter beggin to get outta goin to Vietnam"
Continuing to repeat propaganda does not make it true.
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tkyrchncs5 months, 3 weeks ago
Israel, like ever other nation has no intrinsic right to exist. Nations exist because of their own will and power, and that of their friends. They have come and gone since the dawn of civilization, maybe before. I do not believe that WE should be guarantors of the existence of any Middle Eastern nation. Not one of them is a true ally, let alone a "major" or "valuable" one. They are all of them a hoard of greedy expensive violent children that need to be kicked out of our house.
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fempatriot5 months, 3 weeks ago
Israel exists at the expense of the thousands of Palestinians they drove out to Lebanon, Jordan, Syria, etc., the million and a half of Palestinians imprisoned in the Gaza strip, & at the extreme financial expense of the citizens of the United States of America. The USA sends billions of American dollars to Israel, to the tune of at least $20,000 per every Israeli man, woman, child. Israel is a racist, apartheid state that insists on calling itself a Jewish state. That means nobody else is welcome. But American dollars are. Israel exists because of its pit bull, the USA. www.gush-shalom.org/ PEACE NOT APARTHEID - Jimmy Carter
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djn3nunez35 months, 3 weeks ago
Between 1870 and the 1920's the Jew's migrated there and live in peace and brought prosperity to an impoverished Palestine. What caused the Arab Muslins to begin attacking and killing these Jews. Do you think that may have played a role in these Jews organising themselves for their own self defense?
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Lurch5 months, 3 weeks ago
The zionist agenda from long before WWII and the holocaust was to turn palestine into the Israeli nation.
They started moving into the area and tried to take over using any means possible. They are infamous for using guns and bombs to assassinate and terrorize the anti-israeli palestinians who lived there before them.
Any objective person would have to say the Arabs have every right to defend themselves from zionist terror dating back a hundred years ago and the apartheid Israel now practices.
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djn3nunez35 months, 3 weeks ago
The Jewish underground began its work in the 30's. It was the British investigation into the several groups and their acts of terror against not only the natives but also the British that eventually led to the bombing of the King David hotel by the Jewish terrorist. However the Arabs did in fact attack and kill many Jews in 1919 and 1929 for no reason other than rumors. There is no black and white in the case of Israel/Palestine both have bloody hands.
Israel was born by the gun and live by the gun.
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Lurch5 months, 3 weeks ago
staying the f out of it means no more $30B in aid from America.
Without the handouts from US taxpayers, Israel would be much more likely to make efforts to make friends in the neighborhood. Our aid does more harm than good.
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tkyrchncs5 months, 3 weeks ago
Fold the tents and move? :)
So let me understand ya here tang, what we are really doing is protecting all our cherished Arab and Persian allies from the wrath of Israel? Wow thanks, man. Our whole nation has been so confused for so long about what our Middle East mission really is.
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Lurch5 months, 3 weeks ago
funny, but it is Israel that continues to invade Pal territory, as announced just last Friday.
On the other hand, it is the democratically elected govt of Hamas that is offering a ten-year truce.
Israel sure has been silent on that truce. One would think a country as threatened as you claim Israel is would be ecstatic over an offer of a truce. Yet their silence betrays their reluctance to approach the negotiating table.
4,300 Pals dead
1,000 Israelis dead
Israel`s cries of being the victim are long passed worn out.
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tkyrchncs5 months, 3 weeks ago
Arrogant and foolish. Just like "giving" anyone a nation. Do you HAVE a nation to give someone? What about all the people already there when you "give" it to someone else. I know, let's split the part of the US between the Pacific and the Miss. among them. I'm sure the Californians would go for it, and just move east!
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ArgoNunya5 months, 3 weeks ago
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Candida5 months, 3 weeks ago
Here is another view of the history of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
http://www.positivepractices.com/PeaceEducation...
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Lurch5 months, 3 weeks ago
for a realistic history of the ME situation:
http://www.historyandpolicy.org/papers/policy-p...
The Palestine peace process: unlearned lessons of history
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Goppy5 months, 3 weeks ago
Oh my. I am sooo sorry yall!!
I just caint stop laughin at the unbelievable idiocy of DanmLiburals comments.
They have simply FLOORED me!!
No WONDER DL aint been postin much of late. When he DOES post, he REWRITES history in the most amusingly bizarre and craaazie way!!
I LOVED this question he posed.
"How do you think Carter is going to spread peace?"
Liek reaching out to all opposing parties and trying to bring them together is (to DanmLiburals) the LEAST liekly way to make that happen!!
LOL!!
NO WONDER this guy supports GW and his craaazie Neo-Con ideeologie of attacke first and ask questions later.
I guess the flip side of this incredible comment is "The only way to spread peace is by invadin nations ... liek GW did to Iraq"!!
Again ... I am so sorry yall...
But that posting by DanmLiburals was, start to finish, the absolute most hilariously foolishly ignorant, willfully obfuscatory comment I think I eva read.
And I used to read Davey Halko!
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saintetienne5 months, 3 weeks ago
"Libs. think with you head, not your emotions."
They can't. It's scientific.
Read "The Liberal Mind: The Scientific Causes of Political Madness", by Lyle H. Rossiter, Jr. M.D. and you'll find out that it's impossible for Liberals to separate their emotions from their reason.
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