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Prime Minister Tony Blair said Thursday that he will step down as prime minister on June 27, after a decade in office in which he brokered peace in Northern Ireland and followed the United States to war in Afghanistan and Iraq. Blair will leave office as soon as a new leader is elected for the Labour Party. He remains as head of government until h

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vor1 year, 3 months ago

Now if we could find a way for our President and defacto President to both tender their resignations. Bush brought Blair down , yet he was still the loyal lapdog to the end.
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  Justice4All1 year, 3 months ago
  
  Can't blame Bush for this. Blair is a big boy. He knew Bush was lying and followed him anyway. Blair has only himself to blame.
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    star531 year, 3 months ago
    
    to say bush lied is a lie and to repeat a lie long enought is what the nazi and other dictators do and its unamerican.
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      jordan111 year, 3 months ago
      
      to say bush lied is a lie and to repeat a lie long enough is what the nazi and other dictators do and its unamerican:>>>>>
      aluminum tubes, aluminum tubes, aluminum tubes, aluminum tubes.....WMD, WMD, WMD, WMD...Mushroom cloud, mushroom cloud, mushroom cloud...cut and run, cut and run, cut and run, cut and run, cut and run....dissenters are un-American, dissenters are un-American, dissenters are un-American, dissenters are un-American...flip flopper, flip flopper, flip flopper, flip flopper, flip flopper...liberal media, liberal media, liberal media, liberal media, liberal media....liberals support terrorists, liberals support terrorists, liberals support terrorists, liberals support terrorists....liberals abetting terrorists, liberals abetting terrorists, liberals supporting terrorists...hmmmm, I see what you mean.
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        whatever20001 year, 3 months ago
        
        No you don't. There is a difference between a mistake and a deliberate lie. It's the same as the difference between manslaughter and murder. It's an issue of intent. A prime example is your point of view. You say Bush lied but have absolutely no proof to back up your assertion. This makes your point of view an opinion, and opinions can't be lies. If you knew Bush didn't lie and said he did, that would be a lie. Bottom line is there is no proof whatsoever that Bush intentionally lied to Congress. Think about it. So many people have an irrational hatred of the man that goes beyond mere political disagreement that if there was proof, he would be brought up on charges and impeached unequivocally. Dissent is not un- American, slander is.
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        jordan111 year, 3 months ago
        
        There is a difference between a mistake and a deliberate lie.>>>>>
        psssst; they were told the evidence wasn't there for WMD OR for hussein trying to purchase nuclear material from Africa. They were TOLD before they said it.
        And, uh, dissent is NOT "un-American." It is one of the most precious freedoms we have, not to mention responsibilities. But I see they 'gotcha,' so I won't waste my time trying to deprogram you. You're on your own.
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        UnusualSuspect1 year, 3 months ago
        
        Dissent is about as American as Mom and apple pie...long live all three!
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        MntnWllm1 year, 3 months ago
        
        ...let-alone the BushCheneyInc meetings prior to 9-11 stating the need for a reason to invade Iraq, eh?
        Slander is unAmerican? Kinda like the Valerie Plame incident?
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        IncaQueen1 year, 3 months ago
        
        Can you say Chapidowick...or as Ted Kennedy would say, "we'll cross that bridge when I come to it?" or "I didn't inhale!"
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        david_nwpa1 year, 3 months ago
        
        Can you say, "Read my lips, no new taxes!" Can you say, "We will protect you!" Can you say, "I am going to my ranch to do the business of the people!" (Bush said that on August 9, 2001. His business included meeting with National Security Adviser Condi Rice who warned him of a perceived imminent threat from Osama bin Laden.)
        Can you make intelligent claims that do not lapse back in time to the 1970's?
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        tanglang1 year, 3 months ago
        
        Can you say,
        "Saddam Hussein's actions will not be tolerated...We intend to make that point clear with the use of force".
        -"Look, we have exhausted virtually diplomatic effort to get the Iraqis to comply with their own agreements and with international law."
        -1996-"If the history of the last six years has taught us anything, it is that Saddam Hussein does not understand diplomacy, he only understands power....We must be prepared to respond with froce if neccesary."
        -"So,metimes th U.S. has to act alone, or at least act first. Sometimes we can not let other countries have a veto on our foreign policy".
        -"The hard fact is that so long as Saddam Hussein remains in power,he threatens the well being of his people, the peace of his region, and the security of the world."
        "the actual use of force, is the surest way to contain Saddams weapons of mass destruction program, and curtail his aggression".
        
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        tanglang1 year, 3 months ago
        
        1-2, Tom Daschele, 3-John kerry, 4-6, Bill Clinton. All lies? If so, where is your outrage?
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        MRCOFFEECAKE1 year, 3 months ago
        
        But only the idiot President is unwilling to correct the
        biggest mistake in US military history (other than Custer).
        Never mind the fact that most of the mis(information)
        was coerced and planted by his administration to
        cover for his pre-concieved intentions..
        So, stop obsessing and start correcting..OK??
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        tanglang1 year, 3 months ago
        
        Are you denying that the entire free world believed Saddam had wmd's? Are you not just as angry with hillary as you are at President Bush for what she said in the months and years before the war? Also, are you so stupid(not ignorant but stupid) that you can honestly believe that leaving the middle east in the state it is currently in would be a good thing?
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        david_nwpa1 year, 3 months ago
        
        Yet we maintained a no-fly zone over Iraq for nearly 10 years with no outrage. Bill Clinton and the Democrats followed through with UN resolutions and kept Hussein hemmed in to a point he was not a volatile threat. At the time the UN weapons inspectors were doing their job, they had found no evidence of WMDs. Also, we lived in a world in which "terrorist" threats did not seem to be high on the minds of most Americans. Consider that the WTC was bombed and the the perpetrators were apprehended during the Clinton years.
        Why do Republicans consistently attempt to rewrite history and then accuse Democrats of being the only ones who do so?
        In the context of the times in which those quotes were spoken, we had not lost 3,500 US soldiers and hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civilians as a result of a war which few people can explain without the use of tryte sound bites.
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        tanglang1 year, 3 months ago
        
        The perpetrators were not apprehended. Bin laden claimed direct responsibility for the '93 bombing. Was he apprehended? NO! All because the presidents "pair" were not in his possession, but in the mouth of a fat beret wearing wh*re!
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        david_nwpa1 year, 3 months ago
        
        In the six years that GW has been in office, has he had his henchmen apprehend bin Laden? It does not appear to be that way. Have we let him get away too many times? It would appear that way.
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        tanglang1 year, 3 months ago
        
        During the current administration, has he been able to walk freely out in the open?
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        jaern1 year, 3 months ago
        
        I can do one better, I can spell Chappaquiddick!
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        jordan111 year, 3 months ago
        
        Can you say Chapidowick...or as Ted Kennedy would say, "we'll cross that bridge when I come to it?" or "I didn't inhale!">>>>>
        If you're going to try deflection, use something that is comparable to the conversation. You make no sense.
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        CrazyRay1 year, 3 months ago
        
        "psssst; they were told the evidence wasn't there for WMD OR for hussein trying to purchase nuclear material from Africa. They were TOLD before they said it."
        Nope, they weren't...where do you get your BS info from?
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        jordan111 year, 3 months ago
        
        Yep, they were. And ya remember the 'downing street memo?' Naw, of course you don't. It showed they planned to attack Iraq before 9/11. 9/11 just gave them the 'smoking gun' they needed. CONS said it was made up to make bush boy look bad. Well, the two people in the UK who slipped that memo out, have been sentenced to prison for leaking top secret info. Soooo, if it was made up, how come they're going to jail? hmmmmmm? Ya'll have been had, but rather than be embarrassed, or rather than giving a rats #ss about your country, you'll keep on spinning to save face & excuse these dirts bags you voted for. Speaking of un-American, darlin, you fit the bill.
        http://www.downingstreetmemo.com/
        
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        miklkit1 year, 3 months ago
        
        That is a great site! Thank you.
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        jordan111 year, 3 months ago
        
        Your welcome. I'm always searching for information, since all the CONmedia gives is tripe.
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        jordan111 year, 3 months ago
        
        oops...that should be 'you're.'
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        CrazyRay1 year, 3 months ago
        
        All part of the conspiracy theory propaganda
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        MRCOFFEECAKE1 year, 3 months ago
        
        What most do not realize is that the BIGGEST conspiracy is the real one that we are in the middle of while innocent young Americans die..
        Here's a simple math question that even 97% of the dumbest people in the dumbest states in America who voted for the dumbest president can figure out:
        Which is worse..2 million Arabs kill eachother as they have for the past 3,000 years and 7,000 American soldiers die trying to stop it..
        OR
        2 million Arabs butcher eachother as they have for the past 3,OOO years and 3,500 American soldiers die trying to stop it????
        Meanwhile BinLaden makes videos and it begs ANOTHER MATH QUESTION:
        What is 1/5 of a half assed effort to capture him over the past 6 years?????
        We haven't even committed 20% of out troops there..
        They're too busy fighting "daddy's war"..
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        svensun1 year, 3 months ago
        
        "Which is worse..2 million Arabs kill eachother as they have for the past 3,000 years and 7,000 American soldiers die trying to stop it.."
        MrCoffeeCake,
        What WOULD BE WORSE is that 3,500 Americans, not 'innocent', but WARRIORS, PLEDGED TO DEFEND THEIR COUNTRY WITH THEIR LIVES, die for NOTHING, because you get your way, and the Jihadists gain control of Iraq, of the world's THIRD LARGEST OIL RESERVES
        http://www.eia.doe.gov/cabs/Iraq/Oil.html
        and with those kind of resources available to them, use the cover of a STATE SPONSOR (embassies, protected diplomatic pouches, UN contigent in NYC, not to mention all the power controlling a nation gives you, like unlimited training, money, recruitment, etc) to KILL UNTOLD NUMBERS OF AMERICANS, PERHAPS MILLIONS, once they have developed nuclear weapons and ICBM's.
        
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        svensun1 year, 3 months ago
        
        The 'innocent young Americans' you shed crocodile tears over GET IT (if you read any decent-sized sampling of milblogs, you would GET that), but you apparently can't conceive of the threat and apparently seem incabable of acknowledging it until one of those Jihadists starts hacking your head off!
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        jordan111 year, 3 months ago
        
        All part of the conspiracy theory propaganda>>>>
        What is? The memo? Like I said, two people were sent to prison in the UK for giving that memo out. If it's a 'conspiracy' how could that be? Think. Try it, you'll like it.
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        MRCOFFEECAKE1 year, 3 months ago
        
        3,500 soldiers dead..STOP DEFENDING THE OFFENDERS!
        That is not heresay..
        Less oil producesd in Iraq than before 2001..Not heresay
        Less electricity and fresh water than before 2001..FACT
        "The Iraq qar will be funded by their oil and we'll be
        seeing parades in the street????? HERSAY..BULLSHooT
        How about going to bed one night knowing that several thousand American families will get to see their children??..and in one piece!
        You do have to sleep at night.
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        Lurch1 year, 3 months ago
        
        My neocon friend, I say: you still haven't a clue and how is that "I don't remember committing that particular high-crime" excuse working for you.
        Bush, we know exactly where the millions of barrels of WMD are.
        Rumsfeld, the threat is imminent.
        Rice, the smoking gun will be a mushroom cloud.
        All BS! There have been books written by eye witnesses to the lies and sexed up intel describing this in detail. When are you going to take the blinders off?
        Remember the sage advice of our founding fathers: he who gives up liberty for security deserves neither.
        Also, remember the advice of the old wise man who once said, "don't be an idiot'.
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        svensun1 year, 3 months ago
        
        Lurch,
        You are trying to deceive people with your statement:
        " Rumsfeld, the threat is imminent."
        That is such a distortion of the facts, that it really disappoints me that you would post that.
        You, and everyone who wants to see the truth, instead of hyperpartisan distortion, should read the CNN article on Rumsfeld's comments, made in answering questions with regular folks, including the mother of a soldier soon to be deployed, in the Fall of 2002:
        http://archives.cnn.com/2002/US/11/14/rumsfeld....
        Please take your own advice:
        "don't be an idiot",
        and don't treat your readers as idiots, either, by trying to deceive them.
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        svensun1 year, 3 months ago
        
        Jordan11-"And ya remember the 'downing street memo?' Naw, of course you don't. It showed they planned to attack Iraq before 9/11."
        Actually, 'they' planned to attack Iraq, starting in 1998! The 'they'you must be referring to consist of Bill Clinton, Al Gore, Hillary, Madeleine Albright, Sandy Berger, Bill Richardson and all your other Clinton Administration heroes, and they declared their intention with the Iraq Liberation Act of 1998.
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_Liberation_Act
        So President Bush is to be faulted for executing a law that CLINTON signed?
        Lest you claim that Bush 'twisted' the intent of that act, be so kind as to not attempt to deceive people by failing to mention that the Iraq Liberation Act was CITED in the October 2002 Congressional Authorization of Force, which was voted FOR by, among others: Patrick J. Kennedy, John Murtha, Henry Waxman, Joe Biden, Hillary Clinton, Christopher Dodd, John Edwards, John Kerry, Harry Reid and Jay Rockefeller!
        
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        whatever20001 year, 3 months ago
        
        Read the post.I wrote that dissent in NOT un- American.I believe it applies to all situations.You apparently believe dissent is only patriotic when it is in congruence with your beliefs.That is hypocrisy.Your personal attack against me is not appreciated and is a detriment to this forum.You are the one who is programmed to where you can't even have respect for someone else's point of view.We were all here when Iraq did not comply with UN mandates for weapons inspections. Remember those?This created suspicion in everyone's mind. The intel game is not exact science.Bush and Co. were given an opinion that the evidence was not there.It is the job of the President to evaluate that opinion.Your questioning of that decision is yours to make, but it does not imply a deliberate lie.Show me the proof that Bush believed there were not WMD's and decided to BS everyone and go in anyway. You don't have it.You would convict a man before he has had due process.That I am sure is not American.
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        SonOfTheMask1 year, 3 months ago
        
        Good set of posts, whatever2000. :)
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        Lurch1 year, 3 months ago
        
        We were all here when Iraq couldn't even control its own airspace, America did. We were all here when Iraq couldn't buy a bucket of KFC without the UN and America's permission. We were all here when the weapons inspectors said they had verified that 98% of all the WMD was destroyed and the remaining WMD was either used in Iran-Iraq or was already deteriorated beyond use due to lack of facilities. We were all here when Bush ignored the domestic intel. We were all here when the domestic intel complained of interference and incredible pressure to sex up the intel.
        >Show me the proof that Bush believed there were not WMD's and decided to BS everyone and go in anyway.
        On top of all the intel buried by Wolfie, Pearle, and Cheney there were inspectors on the ground in iraq. We all know Bush kicked them out of Iraq before they could finish the job. Why?
        If we are a country based on laws and justice, Bush et all need to be investigated and punished.
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        blowback1 year, 3 months ago
        
        "We all know Bush kicked them out of Iraq before they could finish the job. Why?"
        Because he knew they would destroy his case for a war that he wanted real bad.
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        svensun1 year, 3 months ago
        
        Lurch, why do you keep stating untruths:
        Lurch- "We were all here when Iraq couldn't buy a bucket of KFC without the UN and America's permission."
        That statement is so FAR FROM THE TRUTH, that I have to conclude that you must really despise your readers, and think us all complete fools.
        EVERYONE knows, in direct contradiction to your assertion that Saddam was VIOLATING the Oil For Food program. It was in the news many times, or perhaps it was NOT, if you only read the 'fair and balanced' NYT?
        Read this portion of the Iraq Survey Group (Duelfer) report, and try rephrasing the statement of yours that I quoted, if you have some integrity:
        http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/repor...
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        Justice4All1 year, 3 months ago
        
        "You say Bush lied but have absolutely no proof to back up your assertion."
        Actually the 9-11 Commission report which was sanctioned by Bush does back it up.
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        UnusualSuspect1 year, 3 months ago
        
        I respect Blair so much more than Bush...a stong, intellient leader caught up in Bush's obsession with Iraq. His only major mistake was the wrong intelligence he got about WMDs...other than that, a good person. I will miss him...
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        entropy1 year, 3 months ago
        
        I can honestly say I will not miss him.
        He knew what he was doing. He can't blame his mistakes on Bush.
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        skeek1 year, 3 months ago
        
        I agree.
        Blair's farewell speeches seem almost apologetic.
        He's tried to hastily redeem himself with some good deeds - Africa and climate change, but his legacy is Iraq. He knows history is already judging him poorly and will continue to do so, as it will Bush.
        I have no respect for him. What UnusualSuspect regards as strength and intelligence I see as only treachery and connivance.
        I have no sympathy for him either, and like you, entropy, I will not miss him.
        Good riddance to Tony Blair. I deceitful, self-serving liar of the first degree.
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        CrazyRay1 year, 3 months ago
        
        No, it does not...maybe you should read it
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        Justice4All1 year, 3 months ago
        
        Yes it does. I did read it.
        Maybe you should follow your own advice and read it.
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        GWHayduke1 year, 3 months ago
        
        Depends on your interpretation of the word 'read'.
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        CrazyRay1 year, 3 months ago
        
        Quote the statement and tell us which page it is on
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        whatever20001 year, 3 months ago
        
        It backs up that the intelligence community had an opinion that Bush disregarded. That is within his job description as far as I am concerned. Any President who does not question these opinions is not doing their job. The intel community has certainly been in error before. You may disagree with GW's decision. To say he lied is unsubstantiated.
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        Lurch1 year, 3 months ago
        
        To say he didn't lie is to say he is an absolute moron who was totally controlled and manipulated by the people around him the entire time he was in office because he was such an idiot he had lost all common sense and ability to rationally think for himself.
        Come to think of it, you may be right.
        I've never met a man that dull and gullible, but that's not to say it couldn't happen.
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        OnlyTheTruth1 year, 3 months ago
        
        So your defense of Bush is that he is delusional and believes his falsehoods. That might even be worse!
        WORST PRESIDENT EVER!
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        david_nwpa1 year, 3 months ago
        
        Your logic is circular and un-American. How can one "prove" Bush lied without getting access to files which he and bow wow Rove have destroyed? How can one prove he lied without getting beyond his drone in the Attorney General's office? How can one prove he lied without putting his testimony on the stand?
        Well one sure way of getting Bushco to testify is to impeach them both and put them on the stand. Tick Tock repubs, your days in the Oval Office are assuredly numbered.
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        CrazyRay1 year, 3 months ago
        
        Interesting...your hero, Clinton, said the same thing...
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      MRCOFFEECAKE1 year, 3 months ago
      
      Ok..he stated untruthful things..is that better?
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      Shay1 year, 3 months ago
      
      to say bush lied isn't a lie...it's a belief. to say bush lied isn't unamerican. to have an opinion about the president that contradicts what it is he stands for is what america stands for.
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        miklkit1 year, 3 months ago
        
        Does this help?
        http://www.pensitoreview.com/2007/02/13/bush-ca...
        
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      Shirtless1 year, 3 months ago
      
      Unfortunately, people use the word "lie" when they really mean "false statement." To be a "lie" the false statement has to be made deliberately and intentionally. To say that there are weapons of mass destruction is a false statement, but I am not persuaded that President Bush made the false statement deliberately, therefore, I cannot conclude that he was lying. That said, he certainly knows, or should now, at this time, that it was a false statement, and that he started this war on false premises, but being the arrogant moron that he is, he refuses to adjust his policies in light of reality. And the reality is that we are wasting our blood and our treasure in a sectarian civil war that has been going on for centuries, and will continue to go on.
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        miklkit1 year, 3 months ago
        
        A: â;¦ [Bush security officials Stephen] Hadley and Bob Joseph know. It's documented. We've got our documents on it. We're clean as a whistle. And George [Tenet, then-CIA Director] personally got it out of the Cincinnati speech of the president.
        W: Oh, he did? â;¦
        W: It was taken out?
        A: Taken out. George said you can't do this.
        W: How come it wasn't taken out of the State of the Union then?
        A: Because I think it was overruled by the [Vice Pres. Cheney] types down at the White House. [Then-National Security Adviser] Condi [Rice] doesn't like being in the hot spot.
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        miklkit1 year, 3 months ago
        
        THE PRESIDENT: When I gave the speech, the line was relevant.
        Q So even though there has been some question about the intelligence â;; the intelligence community knowing beforehand that perhaps it wasn't, you still believe that when you gave it â;;
        THE PRESIDENT: Well, the speech that I gave was cleared by the CIA. And, look, the thing that's important to realize is that we're constantly gathering data. Subsequent to the speech, the CIA had some doubts. But when I gave the â;; when they talked about the speech and when they looked at the speech, it was cleared. Otherwise, I wouldn't have put it in the speech. I'm not interested in talking about intelligence unless it's cleared by the CIA. And as Director Tenet said, it was cleared by the CIA.
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        miklkit1 year, 3 months ago
        
        The above passages are from the link I provided right above your comment. What part of lies do you not understand?
        
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      Lurch1 year, 3 months ago
      
      the proof will be a mushroom cloud, we know where the WMD are, the president owes america and the military an exit strategy, I will not rest til OBL is brought to justice etc, etc, etc.
      The fact is, Bush lied, told falsehoods, tricked those around him, pressured others to change their intel assessments to match his agenda rather than reality, and he fired generals who were more interested in protecting troops than implementing a pre 9/11 political agenda.
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      MRCOFFEECAKE1 year, 3 months ago
      
      Let's go back to Vietnam too...
      That didn't ruin enough lives.>
      I imagine you vote yes because you have no relatives at risk..
      Very brave of you!!
      Actually, that is the ultimate coward!!
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      Lurch1 year, 3 months ago
      
      To our neocon friends, I say: There you go again, trying to whitewash away high crimes.
      Reagan was great at lies, he was a professional in fact, being an actor and all. That sure paid off during Iran/Contra.
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      Searchbeam1 year, 3 months ago
      
      star53,
      Thank you for shedding light on one very perplexing issue!
      Now you have shown us a way to make the connection of W and his gang to Nazis.
      Both W and Shotgun Dickie lied to American people, and keep on repeating their lies about WMDs and Saddam's Al Qaeda connection, progress in Iraq and so on.That makes them "Nazis and unamerican"!
      You did the right thing! You outed these Nazis among us.
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    wallyone1 year, 3 months ago
    
    when he has the ability to send troops to war he is guilty of believing the lying pile of dung in the white house.. bush and cheney should follow his lead.. bush is a beadie eyed liar, plain and simple.. how anyone can applaud this fool is beyond my understanding .. impeach now..
    i love how bush reads from his cheat sheet.. he can't even make a speech without having someone writing it down for him.. he makes me sick to my stomach..
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      whatever20001 year, 3 months ago
      
      Ummm they all use cheat sheets. Actually it's called a tele-prompter.
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        crazytuch1 year, 3 months ago
        
        Yes, but what year is it 2007..1907..1807.
        Most presidents could recall that no matter how old Bessie looks , she wasn't around in 1776. He sure does slip up a lot.
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        mcarpentry1 year, 3 months ago
        
        crazytuch, It was a joke! Try checking out the wink he gave the Queen.
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  djn3nunez31 year, 3 months ago
  
  They will never tender their resignations. They need to be impeached, removed from office, and put on trial for their crimes. The Democrats will not do it. They are going to hold the rug up so all the dirt can be swept under it just like they did for the Reagan Administration.
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    slate1 year, 3 months ago
    
    Crimes?
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      Shay1 year, 3 months ago
      
      yes...lying about weapons of mass distruction and using other U.S. issues to cover it up is misleading to the american public and should therefore be seen as a crime of treason. he betrayed us and that's that.
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        slate1 year, 3 months ago
        
        How is it the left always says they lied when they used the same intel, that Clinton Did (which was run by the same person Tennant) when he made the long speech about WMDs as he was bombing an aspirin factory? So then you believe that act by Clinton was treasonous as well? When will the left ever connect the dots and realize their side fell way short in the same exact area and hold their own side as responsible as they want for the Bush Administration?
        
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        slate1 year, 3 months ago
        
        Please don't bring the usual talking point about he didn't start a War; lobbing missiles is an act of war. I'd also like to touch one more example while I'm on the subject of Intel and starting conflicts. Did you know that is just come out this week that the Intel about the supposed 100,000 plus dead Muslims due to genocide were more like 2,000? Yes one is way too many but the premise of the large number was to justify Clinton sending our troops into harms way (which by the way they are still there) and by your standards he Lied and our military men died, remember one is too many. These sorts of talking points work both ways. Not until we as a people stop the partisan picking and choosing to get the other side and accept that both parties have big issues and clean things up on both sides will there be any change in Washington.
        
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        slate1 year, 3 months ago
        
        For now you have the 'winners' and the losers finding things to excoriate the winners so they too can have a chance to win and pretty much do exactly the same things they decried as the reason we the people need to make the change for them to run things. Just a big RDRDRDRDR circle that needs to be broken.
        
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        miklkit1 year, 3 months ago
        
        Well?
        http://www.pensitoreview.com/2007/02/13/bush-ca...
        
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        SonOfTheMask1 year, 3 months ago
        
        "We now know that the president was lying when he said the 16 word statement was cleared by the CIA. According to Armitage, CIA Director George Tenet had the reference removed from a speech the president gave in Cincinnati in October 2002, and tried to have it removed from the 2003 SOTU in January â;; but Vice Pres. Cheney over-ruled him and had the false statement reinserted into the text of the State of the Union speech."
        That is not correct. The reference was removed from the Cincinnati speech in 10/02 because there was insufficient corroboration at that point. It was kept in the SOTU because Tenet had cleared it.
        
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    mcarpentry1 year, 3 months ago
    
    djn3nunez3, What proof?
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  slate1 year, 3 months ago
  
  We have two Presidents VOR? Whos that Defacto person? Do you on the left need a bit of cheeze to go with the he stole the vote two times whine?
  So if the Dems win a close race as in last fall it's on the up and up but if the repbs do it's a stolen thing in your eyes?
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    vor1 year, 3 months ago
    
    Excuse me but please explain where either here or on any of my posts have I claimed either election was stolen? Until there is solid, irrefutable evidence it is useless to make such a claim. Same goes for 9/11 truthers.
    I do however believe Kennedy had some outside help in the election of '60. The evidence is the difference.
    Not the same situation regarding the doctoring of intelligence. The Dem's shy away from this because many of them bought into what Chalabi and the INC were saying in the 90's. It was even the Democrats that first put them on the US payroll. But Cheney and his thugs took this to a new level. Taking questionable statements as literal. No one should have listened to people like "Curveball'. Why if the German Intelligence warned that he was an alcoholic and pathological liar did we insert information provided by him into a speech delivered at the UN? Just an example, one of many.
    
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      MntnWllm1 year, 3 months ago
      
      I think perhaps slate doesn't recognize that the ill-fitting nature of Bush's suits is but a bump caused by Cheney's hand up his "boss's" backside controlling him, puppet-like.
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        vor1 year, 3 months ago
        
        It does amaze me that they are so in tune to the talking points that they assume we all think alike on the Left. Anyone who knows the basic fact knows that Bush is but a dupe. Blame him for not being in command as the titular Commander in Chief. But you cannot blame him for policies that were created in a thinktank in the 90's while he sat in Austin. Jeb Bush had more involvement than GW. I think Cheney was foisted on GW and that he never realized what he was getting into. I keep having this mental image of Cheney backing Bush against the wall early in the term and in no uncertain terms letting him know where he stood. 9/11 was the catalyst for complete neo-con control although I will say I have seen no concrete evidence of U.S government involvement. But it certainly is interesting that OBL seems to live relatively free from harm. However our response exposed the flaws in the neo con view. Everything is not B/W as they see it. There are all sorts of shades of grey.
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        MntnWllm1 year, 3 months ago
        
        It's a gray-out snowstorm, man. I want black & white again. AND transparency. Right from Wrong, and I will not accept anything less. Our evangelical friends seem to think BushCheneyInc can do no wrong, as long as they profess to Be Born Again and Love The Lord.
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      slate1 year, 3 months ago
      
      Well I took the Defacto thing as that,,, my appologies for not understanding,,,, next time please say Cheney we do know the name Defacto can mean most anything
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    MRCOFFEECAKE1 year, 3 months ago
    
    In case you missed what the rest of the world sees, CHENEY
    is behind the throne!
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      slate1 year, 3 months ago
      
      It's what you choose to see,,,,, heck we saw Hillary as Bill's puppet master do you agree?
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        IncaQueen1 year, 3 months ago
        
        Hillary was having an affair with Reno. She is the father? Vince Foster objected because he wanted equal time. There was this issue with the stain on the blue dress?
        "Now if we could find a way for our President and defacto President to both tender their resignations. Bush brought Blair down , yet he was still the loyal lapdog to the end."
        Could we get John Kerry, Jane Fonda, Hillary, and Mama Obama to quietly find a rock to crawl under this country would be very impressed.
        Rosie will be running next...
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    Natureboy1 year, 3 months ago
    
    Holy crap you're slow. Most folks think of Cheney as the de facto president, although my personal vote goes for Herr Rove.
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      slate1 year, 3 months ago
      
      No I'm Slate,,,,, what do ya expect,,, look at me picture,,,,
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  Twistoflex1 year, 3 months ago
  
  What do you want him to say? "Okay. I knew this whole thing was based on fraud. I know I'm a war criminal. Slap me in irons and drag me before the ICC." ?
  The fact is Britain's wars for oil go back to WWI and its entry into the transit region that it forged into Iraq in the '20s. Modern navies were abandoning coal fuel for petroleum based fuels. Incidently, the first use of poison gas on civilian populations in what was then the newly formed "Iraq" was authorised by Winston Churchill.
  Highly entertaining and highly recommended:
  http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7374585... of Oil, Newman
  
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    crazytuch1 year, 3 months ago
    
    Very interesting...I am finding this forum educating.
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  IncaQueen1 year, 3 months ago
  
  Rosie will be running next...
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mr-dallas1 year, 3 months ago

I can and I will. Bush, you should do the samething for your country!!!
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VoiceOfReason1 year, 3 months ago

V.O.R., are you trying to steal my name? And by the way, I don't mind people being opposed to Bush and his policies, but please stop whining about him constantly and blaming him for EVERYTHING, even things that are totally not in his control. He has little but the power of veto, which I believe he has used only once. Sure he was a big part of the war, but give me a break. Katrina? Gas prices? Taxes? Just shut up, he's got a year left.

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