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Posted by: berkeley 1 year, 10 months agoTwo days before he resigned as defense secretary, Donald H. Rumsfeld submitted a classified memo to the White House that acknowledged that the Bush administration's strategy in Iraq was not working and called for a major course correction.
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Macondo
Dec. 3, 2006, 2:41 p.m.He is doing a last minute effort to make up his image before history.
Latter on he may say "I told you."
For Bush during the next two years is going to be diluting the blame with the democratic new legislature.
For Cheney I don't see the trick he will be pulling out of his sleeve. Being more intelligent than his boss he may have something imaginative;(Shooting Bin Laden on the face?)
The fake smiles of Rumsfeld, The one side smile and other side angry expression of Cheney and Bushes grinning, are part of a tragedy-comedy of which we don't know the end at this moment.
Stay tuned!
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Macondo
Dec. 3, 2006, 2:55 p.m.The opposite!
Once more he is the gopher.
In the interaction between 3 obviously different intellectual coefficients, usually the lowest IQ. takes the role of the puppet, unless a very potent motif (Example. Money,) sits in the middle.
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Amazing1
Dec. 3, 2006, 9:26 a.m.Or was this the final straw for Bush? Was the Gates interview only a possiblity until receipt of the memo?
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Macondo
Dec. 3, 2006, 2:57 p.m.Bush has been on his final straw since he was selected in 2000
and electes in 2004.
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nahual
Dec. 3, 2006, 10:07 a.m.Uhm this is all water under the bridge. Whether Rumsfeld resigned or was fired, who cares,the bottom line is that he is gone.
What is next in the Rumsfeld chapter is what is important here. Is a trial for war crimes feasible? will the American Government turn him over to an International Court? will the American public support an International trial of a US citizen? Will the German Government bring accusations forth against Rumsfeld?
Regardless of however many memos are written and regardless of what the official spin on Irak is today, the fact is that the illegal war turned illegal invasion turned illegal occupation is exploting in the face of the US Government.
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RCH1
Dec. 3, 2006, 10:29 a.m.Are we now seeing a neo-con finally accepting that they got it wrong? Possibly!
Between this memo, and the Baker commission recommendations coming this week we may get a clear picture of just how stubborn Bush is.
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Macondo
Dec. 3, 2006, 3:07 p.m.He is not stubborn, he stays the course since he do not understand and do not produce better ideas.
The fish when he (or she) bites the hook, does not know any better.
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saneman
Dec. 3, 2006, 11:26 a.m.Maybe, the memo is what got Rumsfeld fired. Bush doesn't like to admit failure, because God told him to attack Iraq. Where has Bush lately said anything about doing anything different other than staying in Iraq until the mission is accomplished?
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HusseinMberwa
Dec. 3, 2006, 12:20 p.m.The truth is, it is time to leave Iraqis a lone and let them be responsible to solve their problems. If our U.S. soldiers are treated like evils than why are their wasting their time and life in Iraq???. it is time for our Hon Pres. Bush to think about all these advices and make the best decision out of them... Iraqis are dying, our troops are dying.. of course no blame on our troops because they can't tell who are the enemies and the innocents..I will never stop praying to God (Allah) for our troops to come back. plz pray wit me.. Insha- Allah (GOD willing) our prayers will be answered.. GOD BLESS OUR TROOPS...
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Macondo
Dec. 3, 2006, 6:08 p.m.Amen.
But we hope no more blood will be running on the name of God, Allah or any denomination of deity.
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Sieben
Dec. 3, 2006, 12:34 p.m.Acting awards go to the wrong people,they should go to the Politicians that lie and mislead the public, who follow these people like sheep.When are we going to wake up and use our minds instead of our hearts. Following just because of party affiliation is wrong.Just think if both parties got together for the betterment of the country??????????????????
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betruthful
Dec. 3, 2006, 1:24 p.m.The biggest weapon the criminals in government have is "we the people" fighting with eachother along party lines like the bloods and crips. They rob, murder and ruin OUR country while we pay attention to one another. What do we do about this?
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m-simon
Dec. 3, 2006, 1:25 p.m.Iraq will gain a measure of peace when the Shia kill all the Sunni.
The sooner we leave the sooner this can begin.
I expect that killing a few hundred thousand sunnis will cause the rest to head for Saudi Arabia.
Of course the Sauidis have threatened to intervene as has Iran and Syria.
We need to leave at once so the process can begin.
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HusseinMberwa
Dec. 3, 2006, 2:18 p.m.This here you didn't had to post it all M. simon.. and don forget we are trying to make Iraqis be responsible to their problems... one thing that can make this motto successful is by preventing to advice one group against the other.. we gotta leave iraqis alone and they should find the appropriate solution for their counry.. Hope this does not offend any one at all..
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betruthful
Dec. 3, 2006, 1:30 p.m.I guess my biggest amazement is that anyone still thinks Bush is competent or that he cares about anyone or anything other than his warped agenda, regardless of your political leanings. The true conservatives are getting away from this dangerous moron quickly now.
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Macondo
Dec. 3, 2006, 3:31 p.m.Some may be going away.
The opportunistic ones, (suckers for small benefits) are3 perhaps changing political affiliation just now!
The hard core fanatics still making big bucks (Annl Cutter, LimbAuch, Insannity, Oh'Really?, etc. Will stay the course.
It means more digits to their accounts.
The religious freaks will stick with Dubya, until they see the gates of hell wide open for them.
Finally the Honest open minded republicans may do cross voting or change affiliation.
The only problem for analysis is:
No one knows the proportion of ingredients in this soup.
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betruthful
Dec. 3, 2006, 1:32 p.m.So was Rumsfeld wanting to change his "plan" or Bush's? I thought they were one and the same.
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Macondo
Dec. 3, 2006, 3:51 p.m.Is like a building on fire.
Evacuation of the building should be in order and following safety standards.
This is a disordered condominium on fire. Or better a damaged sinking ship with insufficient life boats.
"Save yourself the better you can"
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HusseinMberwa
Dec. 3, 2006, 2:13 p.m.betruthful, I agree wit you.. M simon didn't had to post that one comment above at all.. infact telling some people wat to do to us is wat creates conflict.. we should prevent telling people what to do..
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betruthful
Dec. 3, 2006, 1:39 p.m.I started out (2000) being neutral on Bush, then I thought he wasen't real smart but not bad, then I thought he was smart and dangerous now I know he is a very dangerous fanatic and not very intelligent.
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dtress1d
Dec. 3, 2006, 2:22 p.m.betruthful
""I started out (2000) being neutral on Bush, then I thought he wasen't real smart but not bad, then I thought he was smart and dangerous now I know he is a very dangerous fanatic and not very intelligent.""
Still have not read the Oct 2002 US Congress declaration for the use of military force? Or, just don't want to admit you are wrong?
You can read the actual US Congress Declaration of War at:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/10/20
you will notice that the US Congress used their US Constitutional rights to declare both of these wars. You will notice that they get "frequent updates and reports" and that they vote each year to renew/continue this declaration of war without any changes/revisions.
Interesting that the DEMS still show NO desire to change this even though it applies to Iran & N. Korea as well as to Iraq!
Maybe it is time to "be truthful"!
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jaesquared
Dec. 3, 2006, 3:19 p.m.Yes, the rubberstamp 109th gave bush his declaration of war.
So what?
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RCH1
Dec. 3, 2006, 5:32 p.m.We should remember that the assertions by the Democrats were based on faulty intelligence provided by The White House. Sure, Iraq had WMD's in the past and that influenced a lot of thinking, but the President is the only one who has our intelligence services at his disposal. He was at the helm. It was up to him to come to the final conclusion. He did, and it was wrong.
Those Democrats rallied around the Republican President and got burned for it. However, when they voted to go to war they did not vote for the Bush administration to make such a mess of it.
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b2arrowhead
Dec. 3, 2006, 3:03 p.m.If we leave right away, then it will create a void in that country. That void then can be filled up by Iran, and that will make it worse for not only our troops in the region but for our allies.
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Macondo
Dec. 3, 2006, 5:53 p.m.More soap needed to clean up the dirtiness.
Less operatics to be up to reality.
I hope Nancy Pelosy could perform The Nut Cracker in 2007.
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oldracerguy
Dec. 3, 2006, 6:03 p.m.Someone once asked me if I had a plan as I was being critical of the current state of affairs. YES! I have a plan. Here it is. Now that we have destabilized Babble on we leave. Real soon. Get out fast.. say adios muchacos and LEAVE! Then sit back and watch thinks implode. Sy__A will try to get involved, I__n will get involved and S__Dia Arab__ will get involved. That will KEEP THEM BUSY fighting each OTHER!! We can HELP Lebanon and find OBL YEA!I know it is rough but look at the alternatives. Do you really think we should stay? You are paying for it you know.
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Macondo
Dec. 3, 2006, 6:18 p.m.Oldrace.
I agree with you. We "are paying for it" yes!
If the country is left in debt, we will recover from it as soon as a non-corrupted administration is stabilized.
One greatest problem is, so many had payed with their life and many more may go.
None will recover from it!
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m-simon
Dec. 3, 2006, 11:03 p.m.Help Lebanon?
Are you insane?
It will shortly be worse that Iraq re: politics and political violence.
If we can help Lebanon we can help Iraq.
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oldracerguy
Dec. 3, 2006, 6:39 p.m.Macondo
Some times two birds can be had with one stone. But for the record I am not a neocons nor am I a liberal. I have always felt that babble on was a misplaced objective that would not play out as hoped nor intended. Suppose the babbleons get it together when we leave? Could happen. Does anyone know? I don't think so. Did we learn our lessons from meddling into other countries? Take Afganistan for example. Our previous cold war meddling created a bigger monster for us down the road. Look before you leap is sound advice in my book.
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FactChecker
Dec. 3, 2006, 8:39 p.m.With this memo Rumsfeld revealed that he is a liar as well as a failure.
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